Depreciation

[BQF]

Whats the views around how much the GT-R will depreciate? I see that R34s that are 8-9 years old are being sold for £25-26k, so I assume the hyper-desirable GT-R is going to hold it's value better.

Will it lose less money than a porker?

[bernmc]

It's had such good press, and there's a queue and a half to get them - I suspect they'll be reselling at a premium for a while. Long term, I don't know - I put off buying one of those £25K R34's because of the price of the new car. Just wish I'd been sensible and been quicker to put my deposit down!

[Hi5]

i guess it hangs on if nissan can tool up enough garages to be able to supply a higher volume of these cars world wide...

Nissan would be mad to not sell as many of them as they physically can, especially before they formally announce v-spec availability...

[Scrappy]

dont agree hi 5, if demand is high and numbers are low then that will keep the prices up for us GTR owners

[Hi5]

yes, and i dont think that's what will happen... maybe for 1-2 years, but I think nissan would be mad not to ramp up the unit output

[Scrappy]

I see your point Hi5. Guess it depends whether nissan are more concearned about profits over enthusiasm. Would be a shame if they just ramped it up like you say though as it would loose its cult car status which its predecessors had. Its always a shame when manufacturers do that through greed though, bringing out loads of models also has a similar effect. lets just hope they dont.

[tokyogtr]

you must also assume there will be some people who ordered the car and will not be able to afford it if there is a global recession. This might force some dealers to offer stock at a discount. When it comes to keeping the roof over your head or taking delivery of a money pit, a lot of people will ditch their deposits at the last possible moment.

[skyline69_uk]

The GT-Rs Depreciation has always been lower than 911 turbos etc so the GT-R from past records is a cheaper long term buy 'normally'.

Most Turbo Porsches deprec at a fairly good rate (50 to 60% every 3 years with the rate getting less mental with age usually and then bottoming out) compare that to a R34 GT-R that is 9 years old and still nearly half it's original price and if the new GT-R is that good then I reckon it will easily hold over 60% to 70% for all its years meaning that once again it becomes the more sensible purchase.

Even normal 911's deprec at about 50% or so which is much the same as a 350Z! There are just too many Porsches and BMWs etc now for them to hold their value like they used to do 20 or 30 years back but the reality has not sunk into people yet and they still buy them thinking they are a good long term deal - 50% of £100,000 is a hell of a lot more than 50% of £52,000!

MINI for BMW was one of slowest deprecing car ever and shows that lust for a car can make it a great long term deal - I believe the GT-R will be the same.

Some figures here...
Porsche 911 Coupe 3.6 Turbo deprec
Year 0 Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
£99,920 66,820 58,273 49,810 43,470

and Parkers figures here...

New Porsche 911 Coupé Car Review - Buying & Selling - Parker's

and here for top best and worst cars...

Best and worst cars for depreciation in 2007

Note the BMW M6!!! - £30,000 in first year!!! Unfortunately it does not give their % deprec.

[sin]

Originally Posted by skyline69_uk

that lust for a car can make it a great long term deal -

I concur, the likes of the old audi rs4 still fetch silly money, compared with other cars of the same age. I think a lot will boil down the reliability of the GT-R. If there are no horror stories, i think the GT-R will hold its value better than most.

What else could you buy thats comparable in terms of performance and practicality?

[Howsie]

My guess it that it will lose almost nothing in the first year.

[skyline69_uk]

Originally Posted by sin

I concur, the likes of the old audi rs4 still fetch silly money, compared with other cars of the same age. I think a lot will boil down the reliability of the GT-R. If there are no horror stories, i think the GT-R will hold its value better than most.

What else could you buy thats comparable in terms of performance and practicality?

Reliability is a big issue hence the old NSX and S2000 from Honda holding their values so well and 911s doing so well compared to their counterparts. The 2nd hand market is a whole different ball game from the new car market and with the GT-R being such a great bargain to begin with then the deprec is usually much less over the ownership years. The second hand price can be a great marker of how good a car really is.

[Jadid]

I suspect running costs may also be a factor. The GTR has been built like no other other car before it and is also perhaps more complex than any car before it (veyron excepted!).

At 55k - yes its priced well - however as Robbie J is finding out - tyre changes may have to be at a greater frequency than other cars - servicing may be very expensive and parts (judging by the cost of brakes in Japan) may be very pricey indeed.

That will probably effect the kind of market that devlopes for car once the UK experience is bedded down.

[skyline69_uk]

Originally Posted by Jadid

I suspect running costs may also be a factor. The GTR has been built like no other other car before it and is also perhaps more complex than any car before it (veyron excepted!).

At 55k - yes its priced well - however as Robbie J is finding out - tyre changes may have to be at a greater frequency than other cars - servicing may be very expensive and parts (judging by the cost of brakes in Japan) may be very pricey indeed.

That will probably effect the kind of market that devlopes for car once the UK experience is bedded down.

But the eventual number sold will dictate the future price of parts - the more they sell the cheaper and also the more likely 3rd parties will support replacement parts once outside of the factory warranty.

[borat52]

Originally Posted by Jadid

I suspect running costs may also be a factor. The GTR has been built like no other other car before it and is also perhaps more complex than any car before it (veyron excepted!).

At 55k - yes its priced well - however as Robbie J is finding out - tyre changes may have to be at a greater frequency than other cars - servicing may be very expensive and parts (judging by the cost of brakes in Japan) may be very pricey indeed.

That will probably effect the kind of market that devlopes for car once the UK experience is bedded down.

Its not a cheap car to maintain but lets face it the jap dealer prices are just silly. Tyres are over £2k in japan whereas the exact same bridgestones are in stock at an american tyre retailer for under £800. I recently purchased 5.5l mobil 1 oil and GTR/350Z oil filter for £39, thats a cheap oil change if you can do it yourself, or alternatively about an hours work at a GTR savvy garage.

Once 3rd party's have the brake pads/rotors they will also be far cheaper than Nissan japans prices. This car is not a cheap car to maintain, but I'd say of you go to independant garages and shop around for tyres/pads/fluids then its more like an expensive EVO than a Ferrari to maintain.

Having said that if things start breaking then your going to be talking very exotic prices.

[Eric GTR]

Originally Posted by sin

I concur, the likes of the old audi rs4 still fetch silly money, compared with other cars of the same age. I think a lot will boil down the reliability of the GT-R. If there are no horror stories, i think the GT-R will hold its value better than most.

What else could you buy thats comparable in terms of performance and practicality?

Horror stories haven't affected the biturbo RS4s residuals, that thing bends "the safety rims" at the first sight of a wet blade of grass, and by all accounts the upgraded rims where still ultra soft.

as for the GTRs residuals there going to be rock solid (subject to major recession), demand is very high, production very low, the cars a legend already, In the last 20 odd years of me being a petrol head I haven't seen the press uniformly go so mad about a car since, uhmm actually it must be the original whale tale cosworth when a lot of cars still stuggled to do a 100mph, the xr3i had 96bhp and the urquatty was well over twice the price!