car and driver article - hp fud

[tokyogtr]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

btw, is there a limitation on the number of times the launch-control can be used over the car's lifetime?

apparently not. the damage to the jap cars was done on the track with just oo much boost.

[mindlessoath]

actually us dealers are all saying from 100 to 200 launches.

some dealers are saying less than 100 to scare customers for the obvious reasons.

they said that all the test cars were dying at 200 launches, and it was repeatable with all the test cars that the press got to test etc.

so the us dealers have been saying 200 is the limit and try not to do that.

this was from a nagtroc thread, i dont have th link

[skyline69_uk]

Originally Posted by mindlessoath

actually us dealers are all saying from 100 to 200 launches.

some dealers are saying less than 100 to scare customers for the obvious reasons.

they said that all the test cars were dying at 200 launches, and it was repeatable with all the test cars that the press got to test etc.

so the us dealers have been saying 200 is the limit and try not to do that.

this was from a nagtroc thread, i dont have th link

That's bull as Nissan themselves state it will not cause any issues apart from wearing out the clutch parts but then you just replace - maybe that what the dealers are not actually telling people - it's not the whole transmission.

Lambo's wear out their clutches at a awful fast rate and that's without doing launch control starts!

[mindlessoath]

i really dont know.

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by Frenchie

There is always a weak point on a car, and on the R35 it could well be its gearbox

Weak point in that, at 880Nm rated capacity, it's the second strongest dual clutch transmission in production, second only to the Veyron's Ricardo-developed transmission rated at 1500Nm. The only other dual clutch systems on the market are the VAG DSG, rated at 400Nm and the Porsche PDK, rated at 440Nm.


200 launches? If that really is correct, it's way stronger than most other production car clutches. For an AWD car straight from the factory to stick 200 launches is just amazing. I don't even think your average 2.0 litre, 2WD hire car would survive that.

Originally Posted by skyline69_uk

Lambo's wear out their clutches at a awful fast rate and that's without doing launch control starts!

No kidding. Saw a 2 year-old Gallardo e-gear advertised. 15,000 mile, clutch replaced recently.

Must be the clutches as they're an integral part of the DCT. It's pretty obvious that the clutches will go first. What designer in their right mind would produce a car with a clutch that's stronger than the rest of the gearbox? That's like fitting a 1000A fuse to a kettle.

[tokyogtr]

Originally Posted by skyline69_uk

That's bull as Nissan themselves state it will not cause any issues apart from wearing out the clutch parts but then you just replace - maybe that what the dealers are not actually telling people - it's not the whole transmission.

Lambo's wear out their clutches at a awful fast rate and that's without doing launch control starts!

which again leads to the question is the clutch a warranty item... in japan it is not.

[R33_GTS-t]

The clutch isn't a warrantee item on any car in the UK as far as I know. Comes under the same classification as brake pads. They wear proportional to how they're used.

[skyline69_uk]

The clutch is indeed the fuse or if you drive an Evo more likely the Diff lol.

200 launches is quite amazing as I don't know of another performance car that could stick that number of launches without something cracking after a few dozen.

No one is going to warranty a clutch - we can only dream lol.

[Eric GTR]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

Weak point in that, at 880Nm rated capacity, it's the second strongest dual clutch transmission in production, second only to the Veyron's Ricardo-developed transmission rated at 1500Nm. The only other dual clutch systems on the market are the VAG DSG, rated at 400Nm and the Porsche PDK, rated at 440Nm.


200 launches? If that really is correct, it's way stronger than most other production car clutches. For an AWD car straight from the factory to stick 200 launches is just amazing. I don't even think your average 2.0 litre, 2WD hire car would survive that.


No kidding. Saw a 2 year-old Gallardo e-gear advertised. 15,000 mile, clutch replaced recently.

Must be the clutches as they're an integral part of the DCT. It's pretty obvious that the clutches will go first. What designer in their right mind would produce a car with a clutch that's stronger than the rest of the gearbox? That's like fitting a 1000A fuse to a kettle.

Murcielago owners would dream of that as they last 6-10k if treated well, seam to remember they would give you 3 hard core 0-60 times, I assume audi have improved this for the lp640