Do you think Porsche will "React" - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum

Mega · 25th August 2008, 10:26 PM

Like Russia last week or they play it cool and see if 911 sales pick up with their new 7 speed DSG?

Mike

charles charlie · 25th August 2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mega

Like Russia last week or they play it cool and see if 911 sales pick up with their new 7 speed DSG?

Mike

By all accounts they are working on a new button/paddle setup for the PDK gearbox as the current setup has annoyed every journo thats used it!

That aside, the GTR has raised the benchmark for every manufacturer, and since the market is very tough right now, how many of them have the funds to develop a car to match the GTR's leap forward in technology?

Mega · 25th August 2008, 10:51 PM

This could indeed be "Concorde".
Mike

bonzelite · 25th August 2008, 11:51 PM

Yes Porsche will react. They already did with the 911, giving it direct injection and a few tweaks. Will they answer the GT-R directly, by building something entirely new? Perhaps, but the recessionary winds of depression may hamper that endeavor.

nidge · 26th August 2008, 09:51 AM

Its going to be difficult for all the German car manufactures. I currently drive a 911 S. two years ago a decent spec S came in around £70K. Today the same spec is £80K. So Porsche are going to have to pack in more performance and an abundance of standard equipment for less money? All this whilst retaining their considerable profit margins. They do have history and snobbery on their side, but i think that with an ever expanding product range (not entirely complimentary to the 911 heritage) i think that pedigree is being diluted.

bullett · 26th August 2008, 11:49 AM

Porsche already have a rival/match for the GT-R, it's the Turbo, but of course it's twice the price and doesn't quite perform.

Before the GT-R came out I was going to get a 2nd hand turbo, I currently drive a Cayman. What Nissan have done is not so much an engineering achievement and an accounting and engineering achievement.

Some people buy for the badge not the car. Porsche won't build to compete with the GT-R on price as it would devalue thier whole range. Why spend 120k on a Turbo when a Porsche superdupa performs better for less money.

A copy of Porsche Club mag dropped through my door over teh weekend (this is paid for by PGB). The editorial was talking about new Porsche rivals from the recent motorshows. It mentioned Lotus, Artega, Honda, Farbio, Beira, Gumpert and Spyker. No mention of Nissan though, maybe they hope it will go away if they don't admit it exists.

R33_GTS-t · 26th August 2008, 04:53 PM

I predict that Porsche will react. They'll probably understeer a little on entry and the oversteer viciously upon correction.

There's nothing to stop them going back to a 959 philosophy I guess.

Howsie · 26th August 2008, 06:22 PM

Do they need to react considering their sales profile?

Blow Dog · 26th August 2008, 06:41 PM

I'm defecting....but people like me are fickle and the moment the Mk2 GT3 is here, I will buy.

Not sure your typical 911 Turbo owner is worried too much about the GTR though.

Wheelrepairit · 26th August 2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Not sure your typical 911 Turbo owner is worried too much about the GTR though.

Im not so sure, i took a phone call this morning from someone wanting his alloys done, before we got into details i happened to mention my GTR trackday at Silverstone last week.

He then went into one about how Nissan had upped the power on the GTRs at Silverstone and it was not really the car everyone was making out.

Lo and behold when we got round to taking his details, a 911 driver ,

Im sure this was a one of, just made me laugh thats all

charles charlie · 26th August 2008, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wheelrepairit

He then went into one about how Nissan had upped the power on the GTRs at Silverstone and it was not really the car everyone was making out.

Lo and behold when we got round to taking his details, a 911 driver

Sad, ignorant twat......

It still amazes me how "brand stupid" people can be.

And why would Nissan go to that much trouble to impress people who have already bought one?? Seems that logical thought disappears once you own a set of 911 keys......

Mega · 26th August 2008, 09:13 PM

Car & Driver are trying this "Test car have MEGA power" line, but got caught short on it. Private imports with NO in house "Perparation" were beating press fleet Porsches.

Mike

Eric GTR · 26th August 2008, 09:30 PM

Porsche already have reacted to the GTR

Its called the GT2 and it lapped the evo test track (bedfford autodrome west circuit) in 1.23.5 decimating the GTRs time of 1.23.6

So it didnt take porsche long at all to raise there game, or there price at a mere 80k more

Actually its worth the 80k as the GT2 is gorgeous

tokyogtr · 26th August 2008, 10:11 PM

GT2 was around before the GT-R. The GT-R was Carlos Ghosen's pet project because he was sick of driving a porsche turbo around Tokyo when he felt Nissan could achieve the same, if not better.

Funniest bit was when he was pulled over for speeding... in the Porsche... Had to explain his way out of that one.

Anyway, the GT-R is there to compete directly with the Porsche Turbo segment of buyers: Successful, middle aged men looking for lots of performance IF needed but mainly wants a great car. The only difference is Carlos had to make it more affordable cos no one in their right mind was going to pay Yen19m for a Nissan.

Carlos is a genius.

mindlessoath · 27th August 2008, 12:08 AM

porsche only need to make the 911 turbo as fast as the r35. thats easily obtainable for porsche. they just have to take a leap forward and say, ya nissan was right, well follow in there foot steps and by doing so saying nissan is great.

they wont copy exactly, but they will make a car worth the money compaired to what its worth now compaired to the r35.

so with dual clutch an advanced awd, major engine update with advanced vv turbos etc etc etc... it can achive this. i dunno its already 480hp can porsche do it without increasing the horse power? thats the tricky part. they already have gt2 which is still danger to the road because of its design rear engine rear drive, talented drivers will make it so gracefull tho. but then again its more hp, its more money and its not awd... so its not really compairo to the r35 (tho the r35 performance is simular around a race track (as in numbers)).

25th August 2008, 10:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
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Blow Dog Administrator Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Posts: 7,357	I'm defecting....but people like me are fickle and the moment the Mk2 GT3 is here, I will buy. Not sure your typical 911 Turbo owner is worried too much about the GTR though. __________________ Forum Webmaster Relaunched and back with verve blowdog.com \| musings of a 35 year young child.

26th August 2008, 10:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
tokyogtr GTROC Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tokyo Posts: 1,167	GT2 was around before the GT-R. The GT-R was Carlos Ghosen's pet project because he was sick of driving a porsche turbo around Tokyo when he felt Nissan could achieve the same, if not better. Funniest bit was when he was pulled over for speeding... in the Porsche... Had to explain his way out of that one. Anyway, the GT-R is there to compete directly with the Porsche Turbo segment of buyers: Successful, middle aged men looking for lots of performance IF needed but mainly wants a great car. The only difference is Carlos had to make it more affordable cos no one in their right mind was going to pay Yen19m for a Nissan. Carlos is a genius. __________________ My GTR SUCKS..... air.... then big shiny turbos force it into the engine.

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25th August 2008, 10:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mega GTR Register Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 33	This could indeed be "Concorde". Mike

25th August 2008, 11:51 PM	#4 (permalink)
bonzelite GTR Register Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 737	Yes Porsche will react. They already did with the 911, giving it direct injection and a few tweaks. Will they answer the GT-R directly, by building something entirely new? Perhaps, but the recessionary winds of depression may hamper that endeavor.

26th August 2008, 09:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
nidge GTR Register Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 85	Its going to be difficult for all the German car manufactures. I currently drive a 911 S. two years ago a decent spec S came in around £70K. Today the same spec is £80K. So Porsche are going to have to pack in more performance and an abundance of standard equipment for less money? All this whilst retaining their considerable profit margins. They do have history and snobbery on their side, but i think that with an ever expanding product range (not entirely complimentary to the 911 heritage) i think that pedigree is being diluted.

26th August 2008, 11:49 AM	#6 (permalink)
bullett GTR Register Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 26	Porsche already have a rival/match for the GT-R, it's the Turbo, but of course it's twice the price and doesn't quite perform. Before the GT-R came out I was going to get a 2nd hand turbo, I currently drive a Cayman. What Nissan have done is not so much an engineering achievement and an accounting and engineering achievement. Some people buy for the badge not the car. Porsche won't build to compete with the GT-R on price as it would devalue thier whole range. Why spend 120k on a Turbo when a Porsche superdupa performs better for less money. A copy of Porsche Club mag dropped through my door over teh weekend (this is paid for by PGB). The editorial was talking about new Porsche rivals from the recent motorshows. It mentioned Lotus, Artega, Honda, Farbio, Beira, Gumpert and Spyker. No mention of Nissan though, maybe they hope it will go away if they don't admit it exists.

26th August 2008, 04:53 PM	#7 (permalink)
R33_GTS-t GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: [510] days from disposing of Labour. BNFL are shit. One repossession, one (bank) window. Posts: 8,241	I predict that Porsche will react. They'll probably understeer a little on entry and the oversteer viciously upon correction. There's nothing to stop them going back to a 959 philosophy I guess.

26th August 2008, 06:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
Howsie GTR Register Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Surrey Posts: 6,994	Do they need to react considering their sales profile?

26th August 2008, 09:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mega GTR Register Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 33	Car & Driver are trying this "Test car have MEGA power" line, but got caught short on it. Private imports with NO in house "Perparation" were beating press fleet Porsches. Mike

26th August 2008, 09:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
Eric GTR GTR Register Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 111	Porsche already have reacted to the GTR Its called the GT2 and it lapped the evo test track (bedfford autodrome west circuit) in 1.23.5 decimating the GTRs time of 1.23.6 So it didnt take porsche long at all to raise there game, or there price at a mere 80k more Actually its worth the 80k as the GT2 is gorgeous

27th August 2008, 12:08 AM	#15 (permalink)
mindlessoath GTR Register Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: usa Posts: 602	porsche only need to make the 911 turbo as fast as the r35. thats easily obtainable for porsche. they just have to take a leap forward and say, ya nissan was right, well follow in there foot steps and by doing so saying nissan is great. they wont copy exactly, but they will make a car worth the money compaired to what its worth now compaired to the r35. so with dual clutch an advanced awd, major engine update with advanced vv turbos etc etc etc... it can achive this. i dunno its already 480hp can porsche do it without increasing the horse power? thats the tricky part. they already have gt2 which is still danger to the road because of its design rear engine rear drive, talented drivers will make it so gracefull tho. but then again its more hp, its more money and its not awd... so its not really compairo to the r35 (tho the r35 performance is simular around a race track (as in numbers)).