Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at 'Ring

[jmotors]

[bonzelite]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


my graphic has gotten around! mwahahhahahaha

[ZXTTdriver]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

This is crazy. Going round internet forums it's pretty obvious that Porsche actually have some people on the payroll trolling for them. It's crazy funny. Having an inferior car is one thing but turning your company into a laughing stock is another.

Ha they did that when they decided to try to fool the world that a flattened VW beetle could ever be developed (even over a 40 year period) into the best sports car on the planet

[ZXTTdriver]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

And nobody at Porsche has ever, nor ever will, drive the R35 thousands of times around the Nurburgring as Suzuki-san has done. So they will never attain 7:29 with such lack of seat time.

The issue is not only stupid, but a grand faux pas for Porsche as they have only raised Nissan's profile to beyond their own.

I'm no fan of Porche - see my earlier post - but doesn't the Nissan caption after the ring video say...

"anyone, anytime, anyplace"?

Doesn't say anything about "Suzuki-san, that fateful day in September, Nurburgring" or needing special GT-R race training etc etc!!

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by ZXTTdriver

I'm no fan of Porche - see my earlier post - but doesn't the Nissan caption after the ring video say...

"anyone, anytime, anyplace"?

Doesn't say anything about "Suzuki-san, that fateful day in September, Nurburgring" or needing special GT-R race training etc etc!!

You can't be serious. Suzuki-san has done thousands of Nur laps and is an F1 driver. He is realizing the car's potential. Most people in general never realize their own potential at .... anything....

How can you just go into a car then take it to it's limits as an expert driver: you can't and never will more than likely.

"anytime, anywhere,...." is being taken to mean things it was never meant to mean. It doesn't mean that anyone can take the GT-R anytime and do 7:29. I hope you were truly being sarcastic and I'm simply going off as a misunderstanding.

It means that anyone can drive a supercar now, ie, the R35 is made for the Joe Q Public driver who wants to be in a supercar that gives you an unintimidating driver experience.

Nissan has made the supercar for the masses. It isn't a brutal hard-to-drive kind of supercar such as a 911 or others. It is easy to handle at the limit; and anyone can take it near this limit or not. That is what it means.

[doggiehowser]

I think the best "antithesis" to the "anytime anywhere" supercar is the McLaren F1.

Not the kind of car you can go out and potter around town in and get your groceries in.



That said, some of the new Ferraris are pretty good as everyday cars as well.

The only issue with the Ferraris are maintenance cost. But the GT-R's is comparatively (relative to price of car) as dear to run

[mindlessoath]

also added to any time anywhere.. its going world wide this time. where as the skylines had to be imported all over the place if it could be that is.

[ZXTTdriver]

Personally I think it was intended to be a direct dig at Porsche who have the reputation for making the 'everday' sportscar in the 911, but everyday is the word - there are thousands of these 'squashed beetles' around.

I also think Nissan are trying to make the point thatthe GT-R is not going to bite you in the ass (or kill you) when you do reach the limit of your own ability.

Truth is that I suspect very few owners will ever get anywhere near to the limits of this cars capabilities (though I take it as a personal challenge to try!!!)

[DoctorD]

Hi Chaps, as you can see from the image below we've been busy behind the scenes gathering some facts to introduce to this topic.

Last Tuesday we took a 911 GT2 (supplied by Porsche) and a Nissan GT-R (a customer car imported from Japan) and joined the RMA track day at the 'ring.

Chris Harris was the driver and he drove each car for three laps (one out lap, and two flying laps). Naturally we recorded the laps on video and recorded the lap and section times on Racelogic telemetry. Chris had successfully competed in the VLN race the day before so he was race (and track) fit and able to get on the pace pretty quickly.

We are busy finishing the video and will shortly publish the feature story and full results.

This is as close as you'll probably get to an independent and unbiased validation of their respective 'claimed' lap times so it will be interesting to see how this conversation goes after the results are published.

[Philip]

I would be very surprised if the GT2 isn't a lot quicker (but in true internet style, the GT2 was a ringer).

Phil

[BigNige]

I'm looking forward to seeing the results!

[diddy_p]

i heard rumors that when porsche found out why you wanted a gt2, they made some modifications to the car before handing it over furthermore when my mechanic who does my tracking took my newly imported from USA gt2 to the ring he couldnt get within 45 seconds of your time.... muahahahaa only joking.