Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at 'Ring

[Robbie J]

In my completely personal view

German's always they believe they have better technology (that English radar is not important~1940)

The Japanese would have had base model (lightest), shaved dunlop tyres (better than Bridgestones) and a killer driver, bit like the zero

You would of thought the axis powers would get on better

Porkers are nice to drive but are very different to GTR's, it would take a while or good driver to get the best out of it

[skyline69_uk]

I think it is an ill thought out move by Porsche as it could seriously backfire on them. I don't even think they had to say anything as most of their business in the Nissan's price range (outside of the USA) is very much badge driven anyhow.

[Ged]

Lighten up on the mechanic he was tired as he had been moonlighting perfecting a state of the art pit release light system for Ferrari.

[AlanN]

Guys I think you've all missed a point here...the Porsche article states that the porkers ran their 'ring laps on "Michelin Sport Cups".
Anyone who knows their tyres also knows this is hardly a ROAD tyre...it is the very "semi slick" they are accusing Nissan of using IMHO.

Anyone got any idea what tyres the Nissans are actually setting these time on

[Godspd]

I am looking forward to Nissan's response to this claim.

[2rismo]

I hope their response is a 7:32 - on run-flats.

[dwreid]

Originally Posted by axolotl

yes maybe i was in on it too, that's how I got the time exactly right in the sweepstake even before top gear tested the car

Ahaa, thought so axolotl you've finally confessed. I knew there was no way I could have been 0.1 secs out when I only came second in the sweepstake.

My thoughts on the comments, perhaps nothing to do with the GT-R v 911 debate but perhaps Porsche trying to fling some mud the way of the GT-R and discredit it before Porsche launch their first true 4 seater sports car, the Panamera. Panamera preview website just launched recently and car to be launched in Geneva 2009.

[mindlessoath]

One of the huge reasons why the R35 is better is its AWD system and power delivery. But most of all the actuall friction is reduced by alot.

also, i know a few of you guys actually talk to nissan. I want you to talk to them and find out if its true... you can keep it to yourself or PM me the thanks, but, I belive Nissan is going to run the ring again for a possibly even faster time.

I belive they are going to do some more upgrading - like they did with the bushings and various other small things just like they did with the latest time at 7:29

[gtrlux]

Originally Posted by Robbie J

In my completely personal view

German's always they believe they have better technology (that English radar is not important~1940)

The Japanese would have had base model (lightest), shaved dunlop tyres (better than Bridgestones) and a killer driver, bit like the zero

You would of thought the axis powers would get on better

Porkers are nice to drive but are very different to GTR's, it would take a while or good driver to get the best out of it

Or let me formulate it better :

All our german friends on here might agree with me on this. That especialy the german press (Mags, Internet and TV) are so completely arrogant and not to even say nationalist when it comes to talk about their cars.
Expecially the mags. AutoBild, AutoZeitung and Auto Motor und Sport tend to allways praise the german industry and slaughter the rest. Well at first sight this isn't something new , there are many other mags in other countries who do the same style of articles . . . but it's the kind of brainwashing language they choose that makes them complete ignorants.

The UK press (Top Gear) allways bashes many cars , but you allways have a certain amount of subtile humor and satire in thoses words, so they might upset at first sight, but when you think about it, it is well constructed journalisme. (which let's the reader formulate his own opinion)

The german car press looks like a battlefield where the german journalist and editors have to defend the german industry against the rest of the world. Many articles start like:
" This marketplace is still in our hands"
" They can't take this out from our hands"
" We not have anything to fear against theses . . ."
" Our Golf, Our 330i our, our, our . . . ."
We, We ,WE, WE, and ****ing WE!

It's cheap journalisme, ignorant protective narration and at the top of that young writers that can't even write their own name correctly.


Now why in gods name should the Porsche marketing office be any different from the rest of the german press? They will do everything to kill the GTR influence in germany . Because the german car industry is on a lost path, their cars are too expensive, no options, not more reliable then cheaper makers from other countries ex . . . . it's a struggleing to keep the premium image alive, because only like this the germans can swallow a full option 320i! A 80kEuro priced super car that spankes more then double expensive german performance cars, is very bad for the general image!

[andreasgtr]

^^ so right
The german press AND motor TV shows are all biased and praise the german cars.
When it comes to a comparison between 3 sport sedans, BMW M3, Merc AMG CLK55 and the Lexus ISF you can bet the result would be like it was in the last 10 years.
The bmw is for the sporty driver but very closely misses 1st place, the merc takes it advantage out of the exprerience over the last years and have build a fantastic car, so comfortable,with such a strong engine...place 1, the lexus, well the japanese have made a great car with a superb engine, very low emission, the best driving/handling/accelleration, but the plastic interior bits look and feel cheap, so...3rd place.

And I'm sure that with that ad Porsche could keep some cutomers who already thought of changing.

[TKH]

Porsche like all selling cars are having a torrid time however their plight is magnified by several factors the introduction of the R8 what would the R8 buyers have previously bought ? and now a bloody Nissan has come and stolen the headlines and deservedly so

So what does Porsche do it has 3 obvious options (1. Add more power to existing cars dangerous but easy(GT2)2.Slag off main rivals 3. start building 4 door cars realising the game is up on 40 year old technology). Or do all three

It is like Vettel vs Coultard sad but inevitable

The market is down 30% Porsche is down 50% and the que of stockbrokers etc is a little shorter or maybe just a little smarter few cars will command a premium next year but I know one that will

All is not over for Porsche though as they have just aquired the controlling share in VW so they can ensure the R8 gets no better or faster

When it all comes down to it Nissan have built a masterpiece at an amzing Value price which on 80 % of damp UK euro roads will show them the way including one very famous road IMHO.

LOL
TKH

[Godspd]

Let's not forget that CEO Goshn himself announced the record of 7:29, and not some product engineer.

[CSL]

Cheating is good, it helps sell cars.
As long as the new GT-R doesn`t fall apart or Nissan run away from warranty claims then this truly is "the car" to have........Its dynamic looks, the huge power and the fantastically cheap price compared to its rivals makes the R35 GT-R a God already.

As a track day car,Cems 997 GT3 is something else and worth every penny. Please don`t compare the Porsche GT cars to the GT-R.

H.

[R33_GTS-t]

Counter claim:

Apparently Nissan who up until now have remained quiet have responded by counter-accusing Porsche of cheating with the GT2 lap time. "Their 7:32 lap simply is not possible in a stock GT2," barked chief Nissan Test Engineer General Kobayashi. "Our best driver has driven back-to-back laps with the GT2 and Micra and the GT2 has come out 30 seconds behind on average." Nissan's financial director Wado Cashcou then chimed in accusing Porsche of sabotaging their budget. "If only we'd known that 911s were this slow we could have avoided wasting reems of cash developing a car like the GTR. The fact was that the base Micra was a stronger performer and still is. I am unable to understand how this German company has retained such a strong market position over the years. I can only conclude that they are aliens."

[GT-Racer]

That's clearly made up.