Store Data in GT-R's black box - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum

Chubby · 8th July 2009, 12:49 PM

Does anyone know how much and what standard data is stored and can be retrieved by the HPC?

I ask this as I'm looking to tune the car a little, and I don't want to effect the warranty or re-sale value.

I also don't want the 'Rossers' being able to tell I was doing 190mph on Tuesday at 5:30pm......

I know it stores oil temps, what else...???

Regards,

R.

ferdi p · 8th July 2009, 01:23 PM

Get friendly with your HPC.. That box stores everything!!
If you thrash it - they know
If you tune it - they know
If you launch it - they know
Basically most decent HPC's will allow warranty claims aslong as its not obvious that you caused the failure..
Meanwhile no 'funny-business' in the motor as... you got it... THEY KNOW!!

Hope4Sun · 8th July 2009, 02:24 PM

Apprantly and it makes sense, that from the temps, etc they can even tell which track you have been driving! So don't even think or there know lol

Chubby · 8th July 2009, 03:16 PM

Should have bough an import then...

Much easier.....

Can you launch an European car??? I though that they have taken that ability away now???

R.

guycuthbert · 8th July 2009, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

I also don't want the 'Rossers' being able to tell I was doing 190mph on Tuesday at 5:30pm......

As other have said, it appears to log a lot (more on that below)...

... and the manual (which I have actually read!) does warn that all data captured is treated sensitively (in line with EU data protection regulations) BUT may be handed over to the authorities if requested... from section 9-11 in the manual:

Quote:

VEHICLE STATUS DATA RECORDER (VSDR)

The Nissan GT-R is equipped with a Vehicle Status Data Recorder (VSDR). The VSDR is designed to record (i) vehicle operating and performance information (such as gear position); (ii) engine control information (such as engine speed and boost pressure); and (iii) component replacement and/or re-programming history.

NISSAN, NISSAN affiliates and NISSAN High Performance Centre (NHPC) may access and use the data recorded by the VSDR to (i) evaluate warranty claims; and (ii) carry out statistical analysis and ongoing research and development of the GTR-R.

The VSDR does not record conversations, other sounds, images or location based data [handy - given that ALL cars, including non-SatNav UK cars, have a GPS sensor in them!]. No personal data are recorded by the VSDR. However, the information recorded on the VSDR may be combined with your personal information by NISSAN (and/or NISSAN Higher Performance Centre (NHPC)) for the above purposes.

NISSAN will not share the VSDR data (without your agreement) with any third parties other than NISSAN affiliates and NISSAN Higher Performance Centre (NHPC) except as required by law of any enforcement authority or in an anonymised form for statistical analysis and research. The data on the VSDR are encrypted so that the information is secure and can only be accessed by people with the relevant technology to read the data.

You should not tamper with or disable the VSDR (or engine or permit anyone else to do so). You acknowledge that any warranty claim will be subject to NISSAN or NISSAN Higher Performance Centre (NHPC) obtaining access to the data on the VSDR and that tampering with or disabling the VSDR may invalidate the manufacturer's warranty. Your statutory rights will not be affected. You should have the VSDR inspected if the vehicle has been involved in an accident, flooding, or other event which might have damaged the VSDR.

The sections in italics and bold are my comments/highlighting of specific parts of the text...

I can't quite believe I have just typed all that in... think I need to go for a drive now

guycuthbert · 8th July 2009, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

S
Can you launch an European car??? I though that they have taken that ability away now???

Yes.

1. Left foot floors brake.
2. Right foot floors accelerator.
3. Car revs to ~3,500 revs and holds there...
4. Release brake for launch.

Should do 0-60 in 3.6-3.7 in Auto.

Chubby · 9th July 2009, 06:27 AM

Does the VSDR have a capacity?

How would you be able to access it - as a normal non HPC person?

Is data then cleared when you have a service?

R.

charles charlie · 9th July 2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

Does the VSDR have a capacity?

How would you be able to access it - as a normal non HPC person?

Is data then cleared when you have a service?

R.

1. Doesnt look like it, although there was some speculation of 36 hours a while a go. That 36 hours appears to have been wrong.

2. Being encrypted I assume HPC/Nissan only (for now, hopefully somebody will crack it and allow modification.....

)

3. Nope. Assumed it is kept for the life of the car.

Chubby · 9th July 2009, 07:10 AM

If the data is stored for the life of the car - then that would mean that a person buying the car, second hand could find out how the car has been driven and possibly where it has been driven.

R

sumo69 · 9th July 2009, 09:42 AM

I believe they are cleared every time that your car is checked/serviced by the HPC - makes sense as if there is no warranty issues then there is no piint having the history.

D

evoscott · 9th July 2009, 09:56 AM

chubby isw that your car in the avator can you post a big pic as it looks stunning

Chubby · 9th July 2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evoscott

chubby isw that your car in the avator can you post a big pic as it looks stunning

I'm afraid I have no idea how to do that, which is a shame as I have several nice pics from the Euro trip.

R.

mindlessoath · 9th July 2009, 12:48 PM

there is certain data that is kept forever (you can goto your dealer and ask how many launchs the car has on it, even years down the road, great for buyers of used gt-r's.). then there is the flickr box that keeps data for 38 hours iirc. this data can be cleared but the dealer will know that you did it to hide something and there for deny warranty (if they are that smart). also when u reflash the ECU it changes a pin number so that the dealers see this and know that it has been flashed, regardless if you had it uninstalled for months or whatever.

its said that a HALTECH ecu addon can not be detected by consult3. so that may be the best choice but haltech is dangerous in the wrong hands, so its expensive to purchase and expensive to tune, but well worth it givin the performance and since it removes the limits like limp mode and the advanced technology it packs in.

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Chubby Chubby has no status. GTR Register Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 310	Store Data in GT-R's black box Does anyone know how much and what standard data is stored and can be retrieved by the HPC? I ask this as I'm looking to tune the car a little, and I don't want to effect the warranty or re-sale value. I also don't want the 'Rossers' being able to tell I was doing 190mph on Tuesday at 5:30pm...... I know it stores oil temps, what else...??? Regards, R.

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Hope4Sun Hope4Sun is Detaling the GTR most likley. GTROC Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norwich/Essex Cars owned: R35 GTR, X UK R34GTR V Spec :( Posts: 763	Apprantly and it makes sense, that from the temps, etc they can even tell which track you have been driving! So don't even think or there know lol __________________ Andy Mr Sheen has nothing on me!

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8th July 2009, 01:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
ferdi p ferdi p has no status. GTROC Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Herts Cars owned: 360 Modena Posts: 145	Get friendly with your HPC.. That box stores everything!! If you thrash it - they know If you tune it - they know If you launch it - they know Basically most decent HPC's will allow warranty claims aslong as its not obvious that you caused the failure.. Meanwhile no 'funny-business' in the motor as... you got it... THEY KNOW!!

8th July 2009, 03:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chubby Chubby has no status. GTR Register Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 310	Should have bough an import then... Much easier..... Can you launch an European car??? I though that they have taken that ability away now??? R.

9th July 2009, 06:27 AM	#7 (permalink)
Chubby Chubby has no status. GTR Register Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 310	Does the VSDR have a capacity? How would you be able to access it - as a normal non HPC person? Is data then cleared when you have a service? R.

9th July 2009, 07:10 AM	#9 (permalink)
Chubby Chubby has no status. GTR Register Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 310	If the data is stored for the life of the car - then that would mean that a person buying the car, second hand could find out how the car has been driven and possibly where it has been driven. R

9th July 2009, 09:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
sumo69 sumo69 is R35 pre-optimisation New Users Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 931	I believe they are cleared every time that your car is checked/serviced by the HPC - makes sense as if there is no warranty issues then there is no piint having the history. D

9th July 2009, 09:56 AM	#11 (permalink)
evoscott evoscott has no status. GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: costa del glasgow Cars owned: evo vi tommi mak Posts: 374	chubby isw that your car in the avator can you post a big pic as it looks stunning

9th July 2009, 12:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
mindlessoath mindlessoath is Elite GTR Register Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: usa Posts: 926	there is certain data that is kept forever (you can goto your dealer and ask how many launchs the car has on it, even years down the road, great for buyers of used gt-r's.). then there is the flickr box that keeps data for 38 hours iirc. this data can be cleared but the dealer will know that you did it to hide something and there for deny warranty (if they are that smart). also when u reflash the ECU it changes a pin number so that the dealers see this and know that it has been flashed, regardless if you had it uninstalled for months or whatever. its said that a HALTECH ecu addon can not be detected by consult3. so that may be the best choice but haltech is dangerous in the wrong hands, so its expensive to purchase and expensive to tune, but well worth it givin the performance and since it removes the limits like limp mode and the advanced technology it packs in.