Anybody having engine problems yet or has heard of??

[gtr R33 lee]

Originally Posted by Mark B

Nothing anyone does or says on here will make Nissan listen You can't think we can dictate to them?

Also, put youself in their shoes... You design a car, spend millions on development, give it a warranty, then someone fiddles with it and asks for them to pay with it when it breaks. It's always been this way, with any car. Also, why should they investigate as to wether the cause was the remap or not - the fact is its been altered outside their design. If it had been the brakes which failed, they could also argue that the extra power takes it out of design parameters. If the electrics failed, well i'm sure they wouldn't argue that one.

The rules are clear from the start.

I can see Nissan's point here.

But if you are sure it was an oil system failure, get a root cause analysis done or take them to court.

I remember the sierra cosworth days re the deveploment very well, they had trouble down tuning the engine as it was just to fast in them days, i think a lot of people dont realise yea the R35's been developed, built and sold but surely nissan have cut back the power etc so not to scare someone who doesn't understand such a car or cut the power for eu laws etc, what im trying to say and im tired at the mo as just been to the coast and sat in traffic for 5 hours is and my point all along really nissan surely have not built that car so its on an edge of destructing itself and that the engine surely has loads of potential like a lot of engines in the past for tuning which is what the gtr is about if a simple upgrade is done, if nissan moan about a y pipe it tells me they have no confidence in there design and the cars at its limit possibly, correct me if im wrong, like the rb26 and the cosworth engines it was so easy to obtain 40% more power and the engine remained bullet proof, is the R35 the end of the tuning era until expert tuners understand its weaknesses (if any) at the cost of the general public, im probably talking crap but my point is the R35 should take simple upgrades, still be in warranty if nissan had the confidence in there design, i also feel the cars far to complicated and further down the line more very expensive problems lurk, sorry to sound a little negative but my feelings havnt changed, im wound up by owners being left in the dark when a car should handle tweaks well.

[David.Yu]

Originally Posted by gtr R33 lee

I remember the sierra cosworth days re the deveploment very well, they had trouble down tuning the engine as it was just to fast in them days, i think a lot of people dont realise yea the R35's been developed, built and sold but surely nissan have cut back the power etc so not to scare someone who doesn't understand such a car or cut the power for eu laws etc, what im trying to say and im tired at the mo as just been to the coast and sat in traffic for 5 hours is and my point all along really nissan surely have not built that car so its on an edge of destructing itself and that the engine surely has loads of potential like a lot of engines in the past for tuning which is what the gtr is about if a simple upgrade is done, if nissan moan about a y pipe it tells me they have no confidence in there design and the cars at its limit possibly, correct me if im wrong, like the rb26 and the cosworth engines it was so easy to obtain 40% more power and the engine remained bullet proof, is the R35 the end of the tuning era until expert tuners understand its weaknesses (if any) at the cost of the general public, im probably talking crap but my point is the R35 should take simple upgrades, still be in warranty if nissan had the confidence in there design, i also feel the cars far to complicated and further down the line more very expensive problems lurk, sorry to sound a little negative but my feelings havnt changed, im wound up by owners being left in the dark when a car should handle tweaks well.

Congrats, I think that is the longest sentence on the entire internet!

The point here is that tuning probably did not cause the failure.

[gtr R33 lee]

Originally Posted by David.Yu

Congrats, I think that is the longest sentence on the entire internet!

The point here is that tuning probably did not cause the failure.

Like i said im really tired lol

[Mark B]

I take your point about the Y Pipe, but where do you draw the line? To make it clear, they have just issued a blanket "no mods" policy.

People know the rules, if you choose to break them you can't complain too much when it all goes wrong. I do appreacite that the failure may not be related to a mod, but like I say, the rules are clear and Nissan aren't being any different to Subaru / Mitsi / Porsche etc.

You mod at your own risk, and obviously a remap is a pretty big change.

[marky1]

In my opinion when you have a warranty booklet that states they will void the warranty if you do modifications, they are not writing it to have a laugh. It's written for a reason. Whether you think a modification is the cause of a malfunction or not is not really relevant. They don't want thousands of people doing modifications to their cars, and then thousands of people coming to them with problems and Nissan having to figure out what has and what has not been caused by a modification. It's easier and fairer for them to just do a blanket void.
I don't really see the sense in expecting to be covered by a warranty when the rules are pretty clear. It's one or the other IMHO.
By the way I'm not doubting your experience and knowledge, you may well be correct that the failure was not caused by a modification, but I'm not sure it makes any difference. Despite my view, I hope you can get it sorted out to your satisfaction.

[Robbie J]

The UK versions of the R33 and R34 had oil coolers fitted...

Why? There is little long running in Japan compared to the rest of the world.

The modification stuff Nissan are quoting is natural, somebody turned the boost up to give 800BHP then the engine will not survive, fair enough but this looks like something else. If your new pride and joy went wrong because Nissan didn't look at this case are you going to be happy?

R

[JKRice]

Let's try to put some perspective on this.

There are potentially '000s of mods available to any car - even chipping or remapping can have many permutations.

Do you really expect any manufacturer to invite claims on mods at any level where in each case they have to look at what caused the problem and why. This is unrealistic - unless of course you would be happy paying a lot more for the car to cover these costs - Nissan, along with other manufacturers, keep costs down by putting clauses in the warranty that prohibit modding.

Now, if you can prove that it is a fault at manufacture or the product was not fit for the purpose it what sold for then you have a case - the law is clearly on your side but unfortunately it is you who will have to prove it and finance the case. As soon as you mod you run this risk - if you don't like the terms dont buy the car.

Sorry to be so blunt but I do see it as a simple case, unfortunate, unlucky but simple.

If you have evidence and not conjecture go for it, if not don't throw good money after bad pursuing this. Nissan will fight this tooth and nail - they don't want to open the flod gates for every modder in the world, regardless of whether is is a GTR or a Sunny suing them for compenent failure and the only way to win is have indisputable evidence. Personally i would go for a goodwill gesture from the dealer and Nissan combined - they are more likely be sympathetic to this - after all they do care about PR but they also have to protect themselves and their shareholders so PR, in cases like this, will only go so far.

[EvolutionVI]

Originally Posted by JKRice

Let's try to put some perspective on this.

Now, if you can prove that it is a fault at manufacture or the product was not fit for the purpose it what sold for then you have a case - the law is clearly on your side but unfortunately it is you who will have to prove it and finance the case.

Its clear that there is a manufacturing fault......as not only mine is broken,even Nissans own democars break with the same sort of defect.....

PS: The car is 2 month old....i dont have to prove anything,they have to prove it to me that my car broke because of a remap....there is no signs of a problem because of a remap.......european buyers rights....+ i have a good insurance

[JKRice]

You are missing the point here. No doubt the non-modded cars have been fixed under warranty.

If European rights are in force here then Nissan would repair yours also as it would not be worth their while fighting a losing cause - they obviously feel they have a strong case and as a consequence you do have do prove fault. They will not take this to court, you will, and as the case is brought by yourself you will have to prove fault otherwise there is no case to answer. As for insurance that does not cover you for this - there was no accident.

Don't get me wrong, I feel for you and wish you every success. All I am doing is expressing an opinion that whilst i am sympathetic, states that I do not see Nissan accepting fault readily and for you to have any chance of success you will have to prove fault. Until such time Nissans reply will be "No - you modded the car which renders your warranty invalid" - And here's the killer - It said so in the warranty.

[Perra]

I think some people are missing the point here. Alex didn´t make this thread to get sympathy. He just wants to know if there are more cars in Europe that´s had the same problem, regardless of them being tuned or not. As the thread has shown, there are more cars with the same problem and I think we´ll hear of more cases in the near future. This issue is something that Nissan needs to look into and possibly make a recall of the affected cars if there´s indeed a manufacturing fault somewhere in the oilsystem.

/P

[EvolutionVI]

Originally Posted by JKRice

You are missing the point here.

You are missing the point.....Nissan can void the warranty,thats fine...even if i think when it is based on a manufacturing defect i think they should repair it!

I have to get my car repaired from the dealer who sold the defect car to me....he has to prove me that it did not have a defect/fault when sold....which he cant because of the other cars broken with the same fault,so i get a new engine payed on the ealers warranty....

Perra had it right....i dont need anyones opinions....i just need facts(which i got a lot in this thread,thanks guys)

If anyone can get more facts,please feel free to post them,if you want to discuss something else....feel free to open a thread yourself and do it....

[David.Yu]

Just so we can try to avoid similar conditions, can you tell us how long you were running at high speeds for Alex? And did you notice the oil temp go up/pressure go down at all?

[EvolutionVI]

Originally Posted by David.Yu

Just so we can try to avoid similar conditions, can you tell us how long you were running at high speeds for Alex? And did you notice the oil temp go up/pressure go down at all?

I just accelerated from 160km/h to 290,then backed of a bit to 275km/h as there was a slight bend(didn´t think it was that tight) and then back on the throttle again for maybe 1.5-2km.....till it reached 315km/h,then got of the throttle,and had the car rolling with light throttle to the exit for maybe 1500meters,then gone off the autobahn to the exit and checked the oiltemps and pressures while rolling to the redlight,everything was fine.....did stop at the redlight and wait for it to go green....after lets say 10 sec there was a loud noise coming from out of no where....rattlerattlerattle......

[David.Yu]

Originally Posted by EvolutionVI

I just accelerated from 160km/h to 290,then backed of a bit to 275km/h as there was a slight bend(didn´t think it was that tight) and then back on the throttle again for maybe 1.5-2km.....till it reached 315km/h,then got of the throttle,and had the car rolling with light throttle to the exit for maybe 1500meters,then gone off the autobahn to the exit and checked the oiltemps and pressures while rolling to the redlight,everything was fine.....did stop at the redlight and wait for it to go green....after lets say 10 sec there was a loud noise coming from out of no where....rattlerattlerattle......

So that's got nothing to do with sustained high speed running really. I did similar at Fighting Torque last Sunday on a runway!

I wonder if Martin Donnon's theory about blocked oilways was to blame in this case? After all, why would the bearings grab after a full 10 secs at idle?

[gtrlux]

If it helps:
I will hit the Fujispeed way Taxi in an R35 GTR next Tuesday. Will ask them if they had any problems or hight temps do to oil pressure loss, ex . . . Fujispeedway Taxi should be one of the first JDM generation R35GTRs, with the non-updated mission as well (early 2008 model).

More next week.