KPGC10 - How much are they ?

[mattysupra]

if it was my first time on this forum looking for info like "moff" was asking about info and i got a reply like he got then i dont think i would return again.

I would also be intrested in info on these cars also but 5 pages on i still dont know what a c10, kp or what ever it is is!

Moff asked a simple question, people replied with answers that may not be correct but at least they tried to answer.

Been told to purchase a book in jap is a great help if you speak english.

The idea of a forum is to help people with questions they have, peopel learn and then in return will help back in the future.

I read this thread as "i know it all and im not telling you" thread. If your not prepared to help/answer the questions then why bother replying at all?

[paul creed]

Deary me, what a messy thread.
With regards to the Alan having the 'pip' and John having the 'pip' debate, i think it's irrelevant in a way to this thread, but can understand the 'shall we say' lack of communication and explanations.
Hitherto, the availability and awareness of old japanese books/manuals and info is sometimes, somewhat hard to know where to start with or how and what to look for.
This is a special car we are talking about. No doubt about it. It uncovers lots of unknowns and 'dont want to knows' within the Japanese culture itself, let alone the uneducated outsiders, and i know for a fact that people want certain info and things to stay that way too....maybe one of the very good reasons why Alan doesn't want to disclose everything he knows. Too many people to upset in this short life we live.

Moff, i think you have done the right thing by ordering some books and info. It's a long learning curve with this car, and even then, i doubt the truth and fully laid out history of this car in question will ever be divulged.
I can understand Alans anguish at laying it all out on a plate sort of manor. After 30 odd years of building such a prolific library of info, i think i'd be a little obsessed if not protective.
I think we should all do a little more info, including myself...hell, even i avoided the model to an extent with the books i wrote with Alex, purely on the kettle of fish it was and there just wasn't enough time to even skim the surface.

Anyway....Alan, some here may think you are a little 'chippy', well, maybe sometimes. We have had our moments of conversation ourselves, but lets try and get something constructive from this. Lets all go away and learn about this car, then at least we can lay down some constructive onfo for all to see. Who contributes to that is their choice. I hope for one you would Alan.

[PS30-SB]

mattysupra,
I've provided loads of hard data - coloured with a fair bit of opinion on rogue data - in this thread. I have also given 'Moff' some advice ( obviously not taken ) by PM in the past when he asked for it. You seem to be seeing only what you want to see.

Do you think there's some kind of one-shot injection of knowledge that can be administered as a cure-all? The truth is that anyone who professes to have an interest in this kind of subject is going to have to do their own legwork and embark on their own personal voyage of discovery. I did, and I consider myself still to be learning. It's a journey that's probably never going to end, and that's fine by me. The voyage is not only about getting to the destination. Personally speaking, I like the idea that I can't get the whole story of these cars just by asking a question on a forum. You can take that as some kind of evidence of my arrogance if you insist, but it actually stems from a deep-seated humility when faced with the challenges of the Japanese language, and uncovering the story behind a forty-something year old Japanese industrial product that was the subject of much wrangling and tension when it was born. There are stories behind these cars that would fill many books that will never be written.

Now, do me a favour. Go back and look at this thread with an eye on the names I've been called, and the aspersions that have been cast. Colour that with the fact that I've made the same points many times before in the past ( just what part of a simple chassis code do people not understand? ) and also corresponded with Moff by PM over the very same subject of prices. I've piped up many times before on similar threads with what I feel have been relevant points, and I've been all but ignored. Now, how would you feel?

If you don't see where I'm coming from on this, then so be it. If you can't see it, I can't make you see it.




And Paul, if the struggle on this thread to get somebody to part with a relatively small amount of money for a book is any clue as to the future of your work, then I despair for you. Less than two weeks ago I came back from Japan with another 15 kilos weight of vintage literature to add to about 300kg already here, and I'm not even scratching the surface yet. Moff thinks he's going to scan 194 pages of book and put it online. Ever get the feeling that publishing is doomed?

Me 'chippy'? I couldn't give a damn. People decide what they want to think, and I'm not interested in popularity contests. The cars and the people who designed, engineered, built and raced them are the stars. All the rest of us are just bit-part extras.

[Mick-skyline]

Originally Posted by PS30-SB

mattysupra,
I've provided loads of hard data - coloured with a fair bit of opinion on rogue data - in this thread. I have also given 'Moff' some advice ( obviously not taken ) by PM in the past when he asked for it. You seem to be seeing only what you want to see.

Do you think there's some kind of one-shot injection of knowledge that can be administered as a cure-all? The truth is that anyone who professes to have an interest in this kind of subject is going to have to do their own legwork and embark on their own personal voyage of discovery. I did, and I consider myself still to be learning. It's a journey that's probably never going to end, and that's fine by me. The voyage is not only about getting to the destination. Personally speaking, I like the idea that I can't get the whole story of these cars just by asking a question on a forum. You can take that as some kind of evidence of my arrogance if you insist, but it actually stems from a deep-seated humility when faced with the challenges of the Japanese language, and uncovering the story behind a forty-something year old Japanese industrial product that was the subject of much wrangling and tension when it was born. There are stories behind these cars that would fill many books that will never be written.

Now, do me a favour. Go back and look at this thread with an eye on the names I've been called, and the aspersions that have been cast. Colour that with the fact that I've made the same points many times before in the past ( just what part of a simple chassis code do people not understand? ) and also corresponded with Moff by PM over the very same subject of prices. I've piped up many times before on similar threads with what I feel have been relevant points, and I've been all but ignored. Now, how would you feel?

If you don't see where I'm coming from on this, then so be it. If you can't see it, I can't make you see it.




And Paul, if the struggle on this thread to get somebody to part with a relatively small amount of money for a book is any clue as to the future of your work, then I despair for you. Less than two weeks ago I came back from Japan with another 15 kilos weight of vintage literature to add to about 300kg already here, and I'm not even scratching the surface yet. Moff thinks he's going to scan 194 pages of book and put it online. Ever get the feeling that publishing is doomed?

Me 'chippy'? I couldn't give a damn. People decide what they want to think, and I'm not interested in popularity contests. The cars and the people who designed, engineered, built and raced them are the stars. All the rest of us are just bit-part extras.

yeah man we get it chasis code..... well done, all that ranting and still thats all you have to point out, get a book you cant read and look at the chasis code of the car your after. well lets just say he has the book (which he still cant read) and finds a car in japan which is for sale as a KPGC10 has all the looks of the KPGC10 has an S20 engine but cannot see a close up pic of the chasis code and its not listed on the auction sheet.... what else can he look out for???

where would one START to look for more indepth info on the KPGC10???

is there anywhere you would recommend when looking or even purchasing a KPGC10 seen as you have already sourced one and have imported it.

in your opinion is there dealers in japan who would be reputable to source such a car and in the condition required??



thats the type of info im sure would be helpful in a thread of this stature......

maybe a few answers to those if that doesnt go against the rules of your secret KPGC10 self owners club rules??? its not as thoug moff is asking for a full history on the car, why it was built, who by, and what let to its existance, tbh wouldnt it be the same answer to the rest of the skyline family as they all spanned down from its (KPGC10) creation.....


then again im only a newbie what would i know right

[Mook]

This thread is embarrassing

[mattysupra]

Originally Posted by PS30-SB

mattysupra,
I've provided loads of hard data - coloured with a fair bit of opinion on rogue data - in this thread. I have also given 'Moff' some advice ( obviously not taken ) by PM in the past when he asked for it. You seem to be seeing only what you want to see.

Do you think there's some kind of one-shot injection of knowledge that can be administered as a cure-all? The truth is that anyone who professes to have an interest in this kind of subject is going to have to do their own legwork and embark on their own personal voyage of discovery. I did, and I consider myself still to be learning. It's a journey that's probably never going to end, and that's fine by me. The voyage is not only about getting to the destination. Personally speaking, I like the idea that I can't get the whole story of these cars just by asking a question on a forum. You can take that as some kind of evidence of my arrogance if you insist, but it actually stems from a deep-seated humility when faced with the challenges of the Japanese language, and uncovering the story behind a forty-something year old Japanese industrial product that was the subject of much wrangling and tension when it was born. There are stories behind these cars that would fill many books that will never be written.

Now, do me a favour. Go back and look at this thread with an eye on the names I've been called, and the aspersions that have been cast. Colour that with the fact that I've made the same points many times before in the past ( just what part of a simple chassis code do people not understand? ) and also corresponded with Moff by PM over the very same subject of prices. I've piped up many times before on similar threads with what I feel have been relevant points, and I've been all but ignored. Now, how would you feel?

If you don't see where I'm coming from on this, then so be it. If you can't see it, I can't make you see it.




And Paul, if the struggle on this thread to get somebody to part with a relatively small amount of money for a book is any clue as to the future of your work, then I despair for you. Less than two weeks ago I came back from Japan with another 15 kilos weight of vintage literature to add to about 300kg already here, and I'm not even scratching the surface yet. Moff thinks he's going to scan 194 pages of book and put it online. Ever get the feeling that publishing is doomed?

Me 'chippy'? I couldn't give a damn. People decide what they want to think, and I'm not interested in popularity contests. The cars and the people who designed, engineered, built and raced them are the stars. All the rest of us are just bit-part extras.

Whilst writing what i wrote i was thinking i should not be sticking my nose in here! However i replied as i am intrested in this said motor.

maybe i should do a search for info on the motor that yourself has written before? or would i be met by pages of junk posting like this thread?

To be honest its sort of put me off searching.

However if what you say is correct and if you have sent pm's etc that seem to of been ignored i would be peeed also. I can also see why you dont want to hand the info out on a plate if it has taken you many years collecting the info.

It seems you "may" have masses of info on this car? i dont know if you do or you dont, its the first time i have spoken to you! but i would love to meet you and talk to you over this car in your local pub. I dought that will ever happen tho.

Anyway back on subject, apart from these books you mention, where else can i source info about these cars? I dont know what model number is what, all i know is i like the picture and would like more info.

can i find this info on wiki? or can you supply the basic info on these motors on this forum for us all to benefit from? Im not asking for all your info but for some basic info.

[ru']

Originally Posted by paul creed

...It uncovers lots of unknowns and 'dont want to knows' within the Japanese culture itself, let alone the uneducated outsiders, and i know for a fact that people want certain info and things to stay that way too.......

Sorry, are we still talking about a car here, or some sort of mystic martial art meditation voodoo medicine man religeous transcendental experience?

rofl

[Snowfiend]

Originally Posted by Mook

This thread is embarrassing

+1

I think it's a good example of the joke this club/forum is becoming

SORT IT OUT LADS !!!

[Rbentley]

Originally Posted by Mook

This thread is embarrassing

+1




Good luck with the book, Moff. I hope it helps

[Robbie J]

Hey Robbie, the 'thingy' on the first clip seems to rev/sound a lot more and freely than that 'thingy' on the second clip ('thingy' suits me as I would hate to be called an arse for naming it something it isn't).

Is that a difference in gearing between the two I wonder?

i would have to read 300kg of books before i could answer that

[Boosted]

FFS

Some guy asks a question, and some try to answer it in good faith. Because it didn't meet with the approval of somebody with a ****ing ego the size of Mount Everest it turns into a shit fest, and now everybody is adding to it.

It was the condascending manner in which he 'corrected' us that caused the problem, not us being corrected. And if you aren't prepared to share information on a public forum, why ****ing join it in the first place?

[trackday addict]

Ohhh Moff - what have you done

Will you please remove the stick currently placed in the bee hive & for christ sake buy your honey from the local Spa

I'll go halves with you on a nice replica (has to have the right bits on, arch extensions & of course GTR badge)
Original not wanted as would want to track day it & enjoy it - let me know when you get the book mate & send me some piccies :-)

[Boosted]

John.................I dare you to tub it

[xanavi1]

im not sure if this is much help but i came across it
HAKOSUKA VINTAGE JDM Nissan Skyline KGC10 GT-X Modified | 1971 KGC10 GT-R Style HAKOSUKA VINTAGE SKYLINE

[mattysupra]

i have been searrhing and i think this is the replica version ?


Seems to cheap tho? am i way off here? Nissan : R30 SKYLINE HATCH