SVM "The Hulk" - 218.1mph World Record Holding R35 GTR

[Adamantium]

Originally Posted by Lith

This is the main reason I find it hard not to draw a little exception to all the knocking of "American hp" etc etc, excuses etc just cheapen it all.

We can still knock American horsepower though?

If you look, Kevan's car is meant to be around 1200, and the new AMS is 1600, by my reckoning that's 33% more power.

The numbers still don't add up, and it's all dynojet's fault.

No one is saying that the US cars don't have monstrous power, they do, and they are phenominal, I just don't think they have like for like the same bhp scale as the rest of the world.

I think in the UK we should stop measuring power at the flywheel and concentrate on it at the wheels, but it just doesn't stand up that stock US cars on dynojets make the manufacturer's claimed crank hp at the wheels.

If it's done on a mustang dyno in the US, I pay more attention to the power, otherwise the best indicator is always going to be the terminal speed on the quarter mile.

[Kev@SVM]

AMS have 1600whp

[Anders_R35]

Originally Posted by Adamantium

We can still knock American horsepower though?

If you look, Kevan's car is meant to be around 1200, and the new AMS is 1600, by my reckoning that's 33% more power.

The numbers still don't add up, and it's all dynojets fault.

No on is saying that the US cars don't have monstrous power, they do, and they are phenominal, I just don't think they have like for like the scale bhp scale as the rest of the world.

I think in the UK we should stop measuring power at the flywheel and concentrate on it at the wheels, but it just doesn't stand up that us cars on dynojets make the manufacturers claimed crank hp at the wheels.

If it's done on a mustang dyno in the us, I pay more attention to the power, otherwise the best indicator is always going to be the terminal speed on the quarter mile.

+1

American whp not realistic, case and point on the link below. 580whp claimed with only downpipes, y-pipe and Cobb (stock injectors). That would indicate close to 700bhp at the crank which is impossible on stock injectors.

2012 GTR - 580whp - NAGTROC - The Nissan GT-R Owners Club

Anders

[Adamantium]

Exactly.

That's blatantly a dynojet result!

[Eric@AMS]

Originally Posted by Adamantium

We can still knock American horsepower though?

If you look, Kevan's car is meant to be around 1200, and the new AMS is 1600, by my reckoning that's 33% more power.

The numbers still don't add up, and it's all dynojet's fault.

No one is saying that the US cars don't have monstrous power, they do, and they are phenominal, I just don't think they have like for like the same bhp scale as the rest of the world.

I think in the UK we should stop measuring power at the flywheel and concentrate on it at the wheels, but it just doesn't stand up that stock US cars on dynojets make the manufacturer's claimed crank hp at the wheels.

If it's done on a mustang dyno in the US, I pay more attention to the power, otherwise the best indicator is always going to be the terminal speed on the quarter mile.

Clearly you do not have all the information.

Our car made 1600whp at 40PSI of boost on the Dyno.

When we took it to the drag strip and ran about 35 psi it was only making 1400whp.... that is the power level it put down when it ran 8.62@173.8mph. We tried the 40psi level and it blew the tires off so bad in 2nd that it shut down the throttles on us. We already have plans to take it to much sticker track where we hope to get close to 180mph traps and mid 8 second passes or lower.

At the Texas mile the car only made 29.5 psi of boost at MOST in 6th gear. Every other gear it made less. That would only be a touch over 1200whp on that car.

The 216.9 MPH pass we had previously made in our customers car was dialed back to about 1000whp and it was into a 20 mph (roughly) head wind

The SVM record in the wet was impressive but again I don't think its really fair to compare out car to their car until they do a STANDING mile run in the dry. Rolling start over 1.1 mile would be a MASSIVE difference. I have no doubt we could of seen 238mph (gear limitation) on our car if we had a rolling start of even 1.1 miles to run... again this was NOT on 1600whp

I am sorry if I am coming off as a bit harsh but I just don't want misinformation about our car and our company going around.

We have always battled the HP difference between our country and yours but trap speeds don't lie. 173.8 mph for a 1350-1400whp GT-R match up.

SVM, I am sorry for muddying your thread. My intention was only to clear the air.

Eric

[MIKEGTR]

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

Clearly you do not have all the information.

Our car made 1600whp at 40PSI of boost on the Dyno.

When we took it to the drag strip and ran about 35 psi it was only making 1400whp.... that is the power level it put down when it ran 8.62@173.8mph. We tried the 40psi level and it blew the tires off so bad in 2nd that it shut down the throttles on us. We already have plans to take it to much sticker track where we hope to get close to 180mph traps and mid 8 second passes or lower.

At the Texas mile the car only made 29.5 psi of boost at MOST in 6th gear. Every other gear it made less. That would only be a touch over 1200whp on that car.

The 216.9 MPH pass we had previously made in our customers car was dialed back to about 1000whp and it was into a 20 mph (roughly) head wind

My car runs 2000bhp (ATW), but I've dialled it back to 556 currently - which is what I run my quarter mile time with, into a force 8 gale, with overhead cloud and the sun in my eyes - I also had a slight cough and a headache, but believe me, its a genuine 2000bhp (ATW's)

BTW if anyone wants to buy my spec engine, give me a call

[Eric@AMS]

We have no reason to lie. We will let the track talk when we go back out.

I would be happy to post the boost logs from all of our runs. Again nothing to hide

Eric

[DRAGON]

Guys, Please bear in mind to build these cars takes phenomenal thought, dedication, time, money and enthusiasm. Taking digs at people pushing the limits will only make tuners think why bother.
They are not the big money spinners people think, the profit needed to cover the costs of building these cars is massively hard to recoup, so they are mainly built through passion.

[David.Yu]

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

We have no reason to lie. We will let the track talk when we go back out.

I would be happy to post the boost logs from all of our runs. Again nothing to hide

Eric

Eric, please ignore Mike; we all do...
Thanks for the info.

[MIKEGTR]

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

We have no reason to lie. We will let the track talk when we go back out.

Na I mean its not as if you're selling these conversions

The track already spoke and you have disputed that.

No need to post logs, I can post logs that show my car boosting to 10bar, but I only run 2psi up the quarter

[MIKEGTR]

Originally Posted by David.Yu

Eric, please ignore Mike; we all do... Thanks for the info.

Another one who's full of shit into the mix lol

[Eric@AMS]

Originally Posted by MIKEGTR

Na I mean its not as if you're selling these conversions

The track already spoke and you have disputed that.

No need to post logs, I can post logs that show my car boosting to 10bar, but I only run 2psi up the quarter

I'm not disputing anything. Just educating you on what boost and power level we ran at. We are going back to a better track with more boost soon. Until then you can come to any conclusion you like. I think our track record and our companies reputation speaks for itself.

Out of respect for SVM, I'm going to stay out of their thread now. Their HULK GT-R is a great achievement and I am sincerely sorry I took any attention away from it...again not my intention

If anyone wants to talk further about the topic feel free to start a new thread or PM me.

Eric

[MIKEGTR]

To be clear, you poured scourn on someone who dared question American BHP figures and from what has currently been seen and with the information at hand, you were wrong to do so.

If u had reacted in a more postive way as opposed to being on the offence, then perhaps I would have reacted differently, but as it stands American figures on the dyno never add up on the strip (we wait to be proven wrong).

As for AMS's work, you are absolutely right, I look at what they do in awe and their workmanship and craftwork are up there with the best (even with Ryan Cunninglinguist) but u can't expect to post details on the internet/forum and people to just take them as fact (an issue David also finds hard to understand the concept of).

Anyway, all the best, I look forward to seeing the car unleash its full potential

[Eric@AMS]

I'm sorry I came off so harsh, looking back at it now it was a bit brash. My sincerest apologies. My only intentions was to inform of what happened, not to upset anyone.

Eric

[MIKEGTR]

Originally Posted by Eric@AMS

I'm sorry I came off so harsh, looking back at it now it was a bit brash. My sincerest apologies. My only intentions was to inform of what happened, not to upset anyone.

Eric

Electronic handshake lol.

I apologise for being such a condisending and arguementative prick, but it gets me thru the day lol