Congratulations Mr Schumacher

[swishboy]

Big congrats to schumacher for doing it again for the sixth time! Last year they said F1 was boring as Ferrari were winning all the time. Ok even as an avid schumacher supporter i missed a few races as i knew ferrari's were supreme last year bar a few mishaps. As a result the racing has been the most interesting for a long time.. which does justify the pot luck qualifying.

What i didn't think was fair were people playing down ferrari's achievements with the car last year. Finally they had got it right and had a car that made all the others look in a different class, but did we hear that? No.. all we heard was 'well they have more money and have spent longer testing!'

And what is it with Martin blundell always putting down schumachers achievements..that guy is getting so boring!
You would think he had won a championship himself from his criticism of the drivers.
Bring back Murray! even with his mistakes it was a damn sight more exciting than at present.

I unfortunately wasn't of the generation to see Senna in all his glory, but i do know that there is only one man that has met and exceeded his level of dedication and passion for racing .. Michael Schumacher.
A True measure of character is surely judged upon how we live right up to the end?
We will never know how Senna may of raced in later years or what music Jimi hendrix may of created as they were immortalised in their prime. Which is sad as we will never know...So maybe we shouldn't hold these past hero's so high and maybe embrace today's?
Even Stirling Moss is a strong outspoken fan, which can't be bad.
I saw the move on villeneuve and agree as schumacher said we all make mistakes and lose it sometimes..but he learn't from it and paid the price.
What other driver can win a grand from the back of the grid?
Big respect to schumacher
I look forward to next year's season for the first time for many years.

regards

Jonathon

[BBD]

I unfortunately wasn't of the generation to see Senna in all his glory, but i do know that there is only one man that has met and exceeded his level of dedication and passion for racing .. Michael Schumacher.

Excuse me for saying this... Micheal Shumacher has NEVER met and will NEVER Exceed the levels of the Great Ayrton Senna, sorry but this statement I find very offending.. I can name 6 others that these new School F1 drivers can never stand a chance in driving skills against them.

F1 used to be THE racing sport... and only the very elite drivers could stay up ahead of the pack.

I can argue and give reasons with no end of why I belive this is true.

I basically stopped watching F1 racing a long time ago, and will never watch it, untill I can agree with the FIA Rules belive me its good that they banned so many things prior to the British GP I thought their might of been a chance,,, but Ohhhh no it is heading to a much deeper slope than I had imagined

[BBD]

just to add alittle statement, I am glade that Ferrari are dominating the F1 do not take me wrong, EVERY manufacturer had its days, some will be revived again. and some will be forgotten, but if you read their history and know about them ,, then and only then you would appreciate them.

[swishboy]

Excuse me for saying this... Micheal Shumacher has NEVER met and will NEVER Exceed the levels of the Great Ayrton Senna, sorry but this statement I find very offending.. I can name 6 others that these new School F1 drivers can never stand a chance in driving skills against them.

BBD,
Don't be so easily offended perhaps i should of stated that this is my opinion but i thought that obvious. As you call him the 'Great Ayrton Senna' then i understand that you are an avid fan as I am a fan of schumacher.
I don't think you can say schumacher is not as dedicated as Ayrton Senna, If he is not then why do people call him the most Talented driver to come to F1 alongside the Lauda's,Prost's mansell's and senna's?

I basically stopped watching F1 racing a long time ago, and will never watch it

I'm confused how do you know the skill or lack of skill of schumacher if you haven't watched him drive for a while?

I do get annoyed also.. when people constantly Harp on about the legend Senna, and that schumacher will never live up to him. Is this perhaps a case of living in the past and not the present?

Its just so arrogant to say that!! I'm not going to list all the records that schumacher has broken as i think he has broken near if not all of them, correct me if i am wrong?

Don't you think also that F1 has changed a lot since the days of Ayrton? With technology and safety and if the last season is nothing to go by the cars also. The last season saw a lot of middle teams competing up top which is a massive achievement making it more down to driver skill to win races.


Nomex suit now on

regards

Jonathon

[Talat]

Like others have said, you can't really compare drivers of different era's. Senna used to get compared to Jim Clark (who funnily enough hardly ever gets a mention these days) and it was a futile argument.

With regards with records being broken and Schumacher being the greatest thing since sliced bread, consider these:

- Senna raced against the likes of Prost, Mansell, Piquet and Lauda (for a season) during his career whilst Schumacher raced against the likes of Senna and Mansell for a couple of seasons, Prost for one season and then errm .... Damon Hill. How many ex-World Champions where on the grid when he won his first world title ?

- Senna spent his first 4 seasons in fairly uncompetitive machinery, whilst Schuey waltzed into a fairly plum Benetton
seat which proved to be a championship winning combination - the same can't be said for either Toleman or Lotus

- Schuey has always been the number 1 driver in his team. Senna had to contend with Prost for 2 seasons of his career and
was unlucky not to win the world title twice. How would have Schuey fared if he had a driver of fairly equal standing as his team mate at Ferrari for a couple of years ?

- How about comparing the 1993 season ? Mclaren using a customer Ford engine whilst Benetton had the luxury of a
factory unit and yet who had the better season ? Let's also not forget that Mclaren where using Honda V12 power
the season prior and hence had an all new chassis. Highlight of the season for me was seeing Schuey moaning like a b1tch
after being out muscled by Senna at Silverstone (I think) and yet seasons later he does far worse to Messrs. Villeneuve
and Hill. A quick learner some would say, but alas no, he was guilty of similar crimes earlier in his career most notably against Derek Warwick whilst racing Group C Mercs.

There's no denying that Schuey is a very talented driver but it doesn't help when you have a p1ss poor grid. Fair play to
Hakkinen for giving it a go but those titles where pretty much won by Adrian Newey, as were Villeneuve's and Hill's IMO. Saying
that JPM is the hope for the future, it's just a shame that Williams always seem to make a pigs ear of it when push comes
to shove.

I'll also think you'll find that driver skill was more important in the pre-Schuey days since the cars were not as technically advanced and you didn't have fuel stops which now seem to decide most races. There was also no major tyre advantage since, for the large part, all the front runners used Goodyear rubber.

T.

[Tobes]

Originally posted by BBD
Excuse me for saying this... Micheal Shumacher has NEVER met and will NEVER Exceed the levels of the Great Ayrton Senna, sorry but this statement I find very offending.. I can name 6 others that these new School F1 drivers can never stand a chance in driving skills against them.

That's a very bold statement to make, the 'Great Ayrton Senna' could have been the greatest driver of all time, but very sadly this wasn't to be
To claim that Michael Schumacher (spelt correctly !!) NEVER met and will NEVER Exceed the levels of the Great Ayrton Senna is just a touch OTT, in my opinion they are/were both fantastically talented drivers, to compare them is futile at best, Michael Schumacher has now got every F1 record except pole positions which is still held by Senna, that said, qualifying is no longer what it was and the book should've been closed and a new one opened when the new regs came in.
I am old enough to remember Prost, Mansell, Piquet and Lauda but that era is over, Michael Schumacher is without doubt the best driver in the world today, and YES i am a Ferrari fan, best thing they did was sign Michael
Like it or not the man is a driving genius and people tune in to watch him, regardless of his past errors in judgement (you never done anything you're not proud of in the heat of the moment ?) the sport will be less of a spectacle without him.
From what i understand JPM is to get DC's seat at McLaren in 2005 when both their contracts expire, so that will be a year to see wot's wot (who said JPM is lacking experience, he's a CART champion, and winner of the Indy 500, what sort of experience does he need ?)
Anyway, CONGRATULATIONS Six world titles, quite a remarkable achievement, i for one would like to see seven, and then eight before he retires and takes over as Ferrari Tech Director from J Todt.
Tobes.

[BBD]

That's a very bold statement to make, the 'Great Ayrton Senna'

course I have to make a statement like that for someone that truley touched my soul in racing history.

You have to know Ayrton Senna never had it easy he worked himself to the world title in F1, driving against the best to become the best. His Partnership with Alan Prost saw both of them killin each other for the title ,, 1989(note Suzuka) and 1990 Ferrari with Prost and Senna in a Mclaren... That was racing.

No wonder F1 racing has lost so many viewers.

[Tobes]

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That's a very bold statement to make, the 'Great Ayrton Senna'
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Apologies, very poor punctuation, should've read;

That's a very bold statement to make.
The 'Great Ayrton Senna' could have been the greatest driver of all time, but very sadly this wasn't to be.

I have no quarrel with The 'Great Ayrton Senna', it's the;

Micheal Shumacher has NEVER met and will NEVER Exceed the levels....etc

Tobes.

[mwp]

he drives a massively sorted car.

when he's been in sh1t ... he's panicked, he's never had a real competitor.


... oh yeah ... hakinen ... i guess MS's car wasn't up to it.

... but of course he was




.. he's good .... but not that good - get over it.

[JAY-R32]

Anyone old enough to remember when senna "panicked"
and drove straight into the side of his team mate Alain Prost to win the title at suzuka.

[mwp]

no panic .. purpose.

he knew he was f**ked.

like MS .. calculated cheet

[BBD]

Tobes everyone is entitiled to his own opinoin, you like Micheal I dont, easy huh

drove straight into the side of his team mate Alain Prost to win the title at suzuka.

That what I ment

His Partnership with Alan Prost saw both of them killin each other for the title

It was a 2 edge sword both of them did it in 2 seasons, Alan Ran into Senna and vica versa ,, although I do belive Alan Started it all in 1989... It was funny to watch them speak infront of the camera its like they wanna kill each other seriously, that was one of the main reasons he left Mclaren and went to Ferrari.

Honda Ruled the F1 for soo long with their 1.5 Turbo 15/16 races in 1988, one win went to Gerhard Berger I belive in his Ferrari at Imola or was it San Marino ?