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Old 25th April 2013, 10:05 AM   #421 (permalink)
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but yeh, we hate replicas

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^^ oh no........

I did not know you exist here rotawheels. nice to see your response to the issues.

are you fake?
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Oh the irony.
ok I think I know what "irony" means now...
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no worries my friend. I always come in peace. with all my love akasakaR33, big man hugs!

I attempted to clarify the issue. wether there is another issue on this issue, I rest my case. im sure you know better than me.


@Miguel-newera

I maybe wrong with my marketing analysis but I don't think the legal aspect which yodooku was saying about ROTA's marketing hindrance within Japan is probable.

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peace everyone. we are here for good faith

JWL and VIA are not the same thing.

Please read what the JWL standard is : the JWL mark, cast or forged into the wheel, indicates that the wheel has been self-certified by its manufacturer to meet the standard. I can self-certify that my wheels I made out of cheese meet the standard, you see where I'm going with this?


The Vehicle Inspection Association of Japan (VIA) independently tests wheels for JWL compliance. The certificate you need (and the one that matters) is from VIA, not JWL.


ETA: It's not that it totally matters, I'm sure the ROTAs would probably pass if tested. My issue is that they may be using the VIA mark when they have not been tested by VIA. If it can be proven that VIA has a valid VIA inspection for say, their TE37 copy wheel, then I will be glad to not bring it up again.
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It's taken over 400 posts, but now we all know they are not fakes, just a popular design that sells well all over the world including Japan.
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Oh wow, my long arse post didnt even get a mention, what a waste of time haha even more WOW, is how a trades person at Newera has now totally lost all credibility due to all their persistence when a simple admission would have sufficed..
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....just a popular design that sells well all over the world including Japan.
Can you tell me where I can buy some in Japan?

For example, Rota 'Shakotan' design ( a direct knock-off of Hayashi's 'Street' design ). What retailer in Japan, where?

Should be easy for you to answer now......
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I wonder if it could be a design under license?! Highest bidder wins or perhaps move the design license around wheel manufacturers as profiteering exericse by the designer. I'm guessing with no license on build materials or manufacturing processes just the design only.
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I do feel that if the JWTC are prepared to accept PAWI's credentials, and accept test certification provided on the wheels they manufacture, that the members here cannot continue continue to call them liars.....!!
Exactly...

but hell will freeze over before they will accept it though

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I am in disbelief over some of the comments posted here, particularly those posted by 'Miguel'



Do you have a memory problem Miguel? You brought up this very subject 5 years ago on this very forum

ROTA P45R ( Replica LMGT4 ) Flat Black /red & 265/35/18 AD07's on R32

If I can draw your attention to post #67



I accepted your apology last time, after you sent one of your 'reps' to fully investigate whether Rota was fully VIA and JWL compliant, this time im not so sure an apology is going to cut it.

If this isnt Miguel posting, which it would seem it cant be, I suggest you go and ask your boss whether its sensible to continue slandering a reputable wheel brand, that is rapidly losing patience with his companys insane ramblings.



Im sure this cannot be 'Miguel' posting, as surely someone with their finger on the pulse to the extent that one would assume Newera would be, would notice that Rota's are already sold in Japan, and have been for the past five years.
In Miguels own statement from five years ago Tommy Kiara were buying Rotas - he checked himself!
Just for fun thou, for those that still dont believe that Rota could possibly ever set foot in Japan...

?????????-The Drift Muscle-

Take a look at the right hand side Miguel



Ouch Miguel...that must've hurt...



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Can you tell me where I can buy some in Japan?

For example, Rota 'Shakotan' design ( a direct knock-off of Hayashi's 'Street' design ). What retailer in Japan, where?

Should be easy for you to answer now......
Sorry, do you mean the Hayashi 'Street' design? (a direct knock-off of the Italian Campagnolo wheels)


How about a set of SSR's that im sure Newera could get you?

SSR mesh

Convieniently Miguel Forgets that SSR are a 'replica' wheel brand..




In answer to your question, if you would like to buy a set of them, we can pass your details on to the Japanese Distributor.
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I'm seriously pmsl if Rotawheelsuk is ACTUALLY Rota.

I did call this thread descending into slander and deformation of character.

I still stand by my wheels btw ;-)
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Sorry, do you mean the Hayashi 'Street' design? (a direct knock-off of the Italian Campagnolo wheels)


How about a set of SSR's that im sure Newera could get you?

SSR mesh

Convieniently Miguel Forgets that SSR are a 'replica' wheel brand..




In answer to your question, if you would like to buy a set of them, we can pass your details on to the Japanese Distributor.

OOOhhhhh.....this is starting to get interesting....





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To clarify I am the owner of Rota Wheels UK, who hold the rights to the Rota brand in the UK and Europe.
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To clarify I am the owner of Rota Wheels UK, who hold the rights to the Rota brand in the UK and Europe.
Awesome......

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This thread just got more interesting, looking forward to the rest of the show
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Sorry, do you mean the Hayashi 'Street' design? (a direct knock-off of the Italian Campagnolo wheels)
I was asking about Rota 'Shakotans'.

Campagnolos were not quite the same, anyway. If you want to discuss who copied who first, we could create our own thread. If we started with the classic '8-spoke' design it could run and run....


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How about a set of SSR's that im sure Newera could get you?
Already own some SSRs, thanks. I've got some Rotas too, funnily enough.

Thing is, everyone knows that some of the Japanese wheel manufacturers started out imitating non-Japanese wheel designs. But in some cases ( I'm thinking of the likes of Yamaco and Minilite, for instance ) the Japanese 'imitators' actually pre-dated some of the most famous non-Japanese names. For the most part, the Japanese companies kind of grew out of it and went on to create their own designs, which themselves became imitated. What comes around goes around, and all that. I have no problem with designs that are a 'tip of the hat' to a previously available wheel ( like Rota's 'Aleica' being a revival of Yayoi's 'Sakura' design ), but it's frustrating to see certain companies not really acknowledging their influences...



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In answer to your question, if you would like to buy a set of them, we can pass your details on to the Japanese Distributor.
Can you tell me - here on the forum - the names and addresses of some actual Japanese retailers for Rota 'Shakotan' design, please? For example, in the Kanto area? Until now, I was under the impression that they were not on open retail sale in Japan. If that situation has changed ( recently? ) then I'm interested to know where they can be purchased. Thanks.
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^^ I knew TT and r32combat will come out of your caves

this indeed gets more interesting..
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OOOhhhhh.....this is starting to get interesting....



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Did you honestly not know about that?

Wow....
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Thing is, everyone knows that some of the Japanese wheel manufacturers started out imitating non-Japanese wheel designs.
REALLY....with some of the statements made on this thread recently you would be forgiven for thinking Japan was the originator and centre of excellence for......EVERYTHING

On the subject of imitated wheels, what have the brand faithful to say regarding these, clearly 'copied' designs???


Vs

BBS LM vs. Work VS-XX

Or..


Vs

Work Meister S1 vs. SSR Professor SP1


Bit too close for comfort but I'm sure that, because they're Japanese brands that makes it absolutlely fine..

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