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Rskyline · 24th June 2005, 03:10 PM

Hi All,

Anyone use 10by60 in a R33 GTR? Valvoline VR1 Racing....

Just about to put into my car....

Rich

GTR-Zilla · 24th June 2005, 04:29 PM

10W60 is prolly too thick, speaking to oil man he suggested a 5w40 or a 10w40 to be fine for normal road use

Rskyline · 24th June 2005, 05:00 PM

S**t,

Abbey told me that was what was recommended. I do a lot of 'high speed' driving will this be ok?

Rich

Joe GSM · 24th June 2005, 10:01 PM

no mate abbeys right 10/60 is perfect. put that in, then tell me how good your oil presure is, regards joe

SteveN · 24th June 2005, 10:37 PM

Id always use somthing along the lines of 10/60 for a hard tuned hard used turbo car.

Always have, always will, works spot on.

The amount of heat and grief a turbo car gets, nothing else ive tried seems to work as well.

I got my personal stash of 10/60 Castrol RS here waiting for my car to be finished. Well ****ed off that these days only widely available RS is the homo 0/40, used to be able to get 10/60 direct from any Halfords, but luckily I horded some, lol.

LOL@5/40 or 10/40 on a hard driven tuned turbo car, not a chance, especially not one without mega tight tollerances, that oil is standard n/a car type oil in my eyes.
I can hear the rattles from the engine and rebuild bills being printed already, lol.

Rskyline · 25th June 2005, 05:45 PM

Cool...

I am going to 'rag' the car tonite... I will tell you how it goes...

Rich

oilman · 27th June 2005, 03:01 PM

Believe me, sae 60 is too thick.

Sae 50 is as thick as I would go, you're causing friction, heat and wear let alone wasting power dragging a thick oil around.

Even worse, if your oil temps are not excessive then this oil is too thick at high temps for an engine that is happy between 10 and 14cst viscosity.

I've posted all the data before but I guess it's not been read.

The actual recommended viscosities (in the handbooks) are 5w-30, 5w-40, 10w-30, 10w-40.

Cheers
Simon

Peter · 27th June 2005, 03:30 PM

I'm with Simon and Nissan here, I've been using 10W40 for over 3 years now apart from the day my ends went at Brands when I'd put 10W50 in the week before. Not saying that was the cause but I'm now certain it contributed towards the failure....

MrRoboto · 30th June 2005, 09:21 AM

I've used 15w60 before, the oil pressure won't go below 4-5 psi, and constantly at 8 psi at full throttle. The engine felt noticably less responsive, especially when the oil was cold, when the psi's won't drop below 6 under any throttle condition. My rocker seal blew because of it (well, it happened at the same time, the assumption thus remains at such).

I used to use 15w50 (which is what Nismo recommends), but using Redline 10w40 recently. Has been running perfectly. Will be switching back to 15w50 when I get the new turbos, but no more than that.

oilman · 30th June 2005, 09:34 AM

This engine was designed in stock form to run on sae 30 or 40.

Ok, there is an argument in cases of modifications and track use to use an sae 50 but as I've said before, sae 60 is way off spec.

The consequences of using an oil that's too thick are:

More engine wear
More heat/friction
Lower BHP
Higher Fuel consumption
Too much oil pressure
Pump cavitation leading to starvation

Don't risk it as it's not worth the cost of a rebuild!

Cheers
Simon

Rskyline · 11th July 2005, 01:34 PM

On High Speeds on Boost the Oil Pressure Gauge sticks on 7.....

It idles at 2.5/3....

I did find the fuel consumption went up. Sightly less responsive..

I will be changing my oil...

Rich

stealth · 11th July 2005, 02:18 PM

I use Castrol rs 10/60 in my gtr and if Abbey say 10/60 is fine then I go with that

oilman · 11th July 2005, 02:36 PM

What is the reasoning when the recommended oil is in fact sae 30 or 40.

Just seems the old argument of "thicker is better" which is not the case when the car only needs 14cst at 100degC. sae 60 is 24cst at 100degC and therefore excessive even if the car is modded.

Unless oil temps are a problem, just step up the quality - Not the viscosity!

Cheers
Simon

stealth · 11th July 2005, 04:22 PM

I know what you are saying Simon and thinner oils are very good in Winter as they get round the engine faster ,in fact I have used 0-40 mobile 1 before and never had a problem .Dont know if anyone wants to compare but my GTR 34 running on 10-60 at normal sprited driving sits at around 96 oill temp when booted hard and comes down to about 90 when on a long medium speed steady run ,dont know what anyone elses goes to or who has had there oil temp up quite high .Another thing has anyone really noticed much differance in oil temps with differant grades of oil ,Intersting to find out .

GTR-Zilla · 11th July 2005, 05:28 PM

Im with oilman on this, you cant simply use a 10w60 oil just for the sake of it cus x tuner has said its better than y tuner.. nissan has recommended a 30 or 40 weight, then pushing that to a 60 is goind a bit OTT. I guess a good double ester 10w50 would be ok for a hard pushed driven car.

24th June 2005, 03:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Rskyline GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 271	10w by 60 Hi All, Anyone use 10by60 in a R33 GTR? Valvoline VR1 Racing.... Just about to put into my car.... Rich

27th June 2005, 03:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
oilman GTR Register Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South West Posts: 722	Believe me, sae 60 is too thick. Sae 50 is as thick as I would go, you're causing friction, heat and wear let alone wasting power dragging a thick oil around. Even worse, if your oil temps are not excessive then this oil is too thick at high temps for an engine that is happy between 10 and 14cst viscosity. I've posted all the data before but I guess it's not been read. The actual recommended viscosities (in the handbooks) are 5w-30, 5w-40, 10w-30, 10w-40. Cheers Simon __________________ oilmans website : www.opieoils.co.uk/ e-mail : oilman@opieoils.co.uk tel : 01209 215164

30th June 2005, 09:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
oilman GTR Register Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South West Posts: 722	This engine was designed in stock form to run on sae 30 or 40. Ok, there is an argument in cases of modifications and track use to use an sae 50 but as I've said before, sae 60 is way off spec. The consequences of using an oil that's too thick are: More engine wear More heat/friction Lower BHP Higher Fuel consumption Too much oil pressure Pump cavitation leading to starvation Don't risk it as it's not worth the cost of a rebuild! Cheers Simon __________________ oilmans website : www.opieoils.co.uk/ e-mail : oilman@opieoils.co.uk tel : 01209 215164

11th July 2005, 02:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
oilman GTR Register Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South West Posts: 722	What is the reasoning when the recommended oil is in fact sae 30 or 40. Just seems the old argument of "thicker is better" which is not the case when the car only needs 14cst at 100degC. sae 60 is 24cst at 100degC and therefore excessive even if the car is modded. Unless oil temps are a problem, just step up the quality - Not the viscosity! Cheers Simon __________________ oilmans website : www.opieoils.co.uk/ e-mail : oilman@opieoils.co.uk tel : 01209 215164

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24th June 2005, 04:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
GTR-Zilla Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,099	10W60 is prolly too thick, speaking to oil man he suggested a 5w40 or a 10w40 to be fine for normal road use

24th June 2005, 05:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
Rskyline GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 271	S**t, Abbey told me that was what was recommended. I do a lot of 'high speed' driving will this be ok? Rich

24th June 2005, 10:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Joe GSM GTR Register Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Essex Posts: 156	no mate abbeys right 10/60 is perfect. put that in, then tell me how good your oil presure is, regards joe

24th June 2005, 10:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
SteveN GTR Register Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just off the M5/A40 Posts: 7,209	Id always use somthing along the lines of 10/60 for a hard tuned hard used turbo car. Always have, always will, works spot on. The amount of heat and grief a turbo car gets, nothing else ive tried seems to work as well. I got my personal stash of 10/60 Castrol RS here waiting for my car to be finished. Well ****ed off that these days only widely available RS is the homo 0/40, used to be able to get 10/60 direct from any Halfords, but luckily I horded some, lol. LOL@5/40 or 10/40 on a hard driven tuned turbo car, not a chance, especially not one without mega tight tollerances, that oil is standard n/a car type oil in my eyes. I can hear the rattles from the engine and rebuild bills being printed already, lol.

25th June 2005, 05:45 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rskyline GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 271	Cool... I am going to 'rag' the car tonite... I will tell you how it goes... Rich

27th June 2005, 03:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
Peter GTR Register Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: East Sussex. Posts: 9,029	I'm with Simon and Nissan here, I've been using 10W40 for over 3 years now apart from the day my ends went at Brands when I'd put 10W50 in the week before. Not saying that was the cause but I'm now certain it contributed towards the failure....

30th June 2005, 09:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
MrRoboto GTR Register Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Honkers Posts: 25	I've used 15w60 before, the oil pressure won't go below 4-5 psi, and constantly at 8 psi at full throttle. The engine felt noticably less responsive, especially when the oil was cold, when the psi's won't drop below 6 under any throttle condition. My rocker seal blew because of it (well, it happened at the same time, the assumption thus remains at such). I used to use 15w50 (which is what Nismo recommends), but using Redline 10w40 recently. Has been running perfectly. Will be switching back to 15w50 when I get the new turbos, but no more than that.

11th July 2005, 01:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
Rskyline GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 271	On High Speeds on Boost the Oil Pressure Gauge sticks on 7..... It idles at 2.5/3.... I did find the fuel consumption went up. Sightly less responsive.. I will be changing my oil... Rich

11th July 2005, 02:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
stealth New Users Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow ( not far from Jeff ) Posts: 3,302	I use Castrol rs 10/60 in my gtr and if Abbey say 10/60 is fine then I go with that

11th July 2005, 04:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
stealth New Users Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: somewhere over the rainbow ( not far from Jeff ) Posts: 3,302	I know what you are saying Simon and thinner oils are very good in Winter as they get round the engine faster ,in fact I have used 0-40 mobile 1 before and never had a problem .Dont know if anyone wants to compare but my GTR 34 running on 10-60 at normal sprited driving sits at around 96 oill temp when booted hard and comes down to about 90 when on a long medium speed steady run ,dont know what anyone elses goes to or who has had there oil temp up quite high .Another thing has anyone really noticed much differance in oil temps with differant grades of oil ,Intersting to find out .

11th July 2005, 05:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
GTR-Zilla Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: London Posts: 2,099	Im with oilman on this, you cant simply use a 10w60 oil just for the sake of it cus x tuner has said its better than y tuner.. nissan has recommended a 30 or 40 weight, then pushing that to a 60 is goind a bit OTT. I guess a good double ester 10w50 would be ok for a hard pushed driven car.