Cruelty to animals

[liquidculture]

Originally Posted by flib1

(i think we could perhaps use prisoners as a suitable alternative ).

Not all as some are in for relatively harmless crimes but rapists and murderers sex crimes etc. why not?

A friend of mine is a hunter, not fox but a shooter, and he invited me on a hunt, I am mildly against hunting in all forms but not to the extent that I would impose my beleifs on others. Anyway after a days stalking and one kill of a large red deer it occured to me that it would be better to hunt humans, specifically those prisoners I mentioned. To even it up a bit they should be armed as well because it is a bit one-sided, then we'd see how brave these hunters are. Of course the prisoners cannot be allowed to escape and would have to be shot if they won over the hunters, perhaps in an enclosed area, say an island then it would be secure.

[RB211]

Originally Posted by flib1

Halal and kosher meat should at least be banned. Any slaughter that takes place without prior stunning should be illegal. Simple as that. Don't care what your religious beliefs are, if you want to live in this country your religious beliefs shouldn't infringe on an animals welfare.

I agree, slitting an animals throat and letting it bleed to death is cruel and it has nothing to do with religious beliefs. Our humane standards in this country should be applicable to everyone who resides in this country, no exceptions. I am not going to get into a religious beliefs argument here, after all the animals that are killed don't go to church or a mosque etc, but are still living, feeling beings with senses and if we give ourselves the right to kill them for our food, then we should have the human decency to kill them in the most humane method possible. My Grandad worked in an abbatoir as the head sluaghterman, and although on reflection it was a bovine Auschwitz, he made sure the animals were treated well and met a swift death.

[GTR Fan]

I find it hard to disagree with that.

[liquidculture]

Same here but some wil for sure

[z3gga]

I don't disagree with what you guys have to say, but saying it should be banned without knowing the method of slaughter is a bit harsh mate. The animals throats aren't just slit and left to bleed to death, it's adminitered in such a way to make it as swift as possible. We also look after our animals properly and don't treat them badly in anyway.
I don't live in the UK but during eid when we have to slaughter animals, i have done it myself and believe me it's not something i enjoy but something that has to be done and i've always done it carefully and made sure it ends as quickly as possible for the animal in question, be it a goat or a chicken. All cows are stunned first, otherwise it would be very difficult to slaughter a cow.
I hope i haven't offended anyone on the forum but would just like people to know that it isn't as brutal as you may imagine and we aren't heartless....

Cheers,

suhail

Originally Posted by z3gga

I.
during eid when we have to slaughter animals,

You don't have to slaughter animals, nobody has to slaughter animals - and fcuk any god that says anyone HAS to slaughter animals.

Religion is a superstition based upon hearsay - nothing more nothing less. Do not use it as an excuse for brutality.

Please discuss.

Sorry for the heavy topic, but I'm so bored with crazy fcukers doing BAD things and then absolving themselves of blame by quouting some out of date holy book or teaching that means nothing.

Dont take what I say personally - it isn't meant as such,

Peace

Glen

ooops

[liquidculture]

Originally Posted by z3gga

I don't disagree with what you guys have to say, but saying it should be banned without knowing the method of slaughter is a bit harsh mate. The animals throats aren't just slit and left to bleed to death, it's adminitered in such a way to make it as swift as possible. We also look after our animals properly and don't treat them badly in anyway.
I don't live in the UK but during eid when we have to slaughter animals, i have done it myself and believe me it's not something i enjoy but something that has to be done and i've always done it carefully and made sure it ends as quickly as possible for the animal in question, be it a goat or a chicken. All cows are stunned first, otherwise it would be very difficult to slaughter a cow.
I hope i haven't offended anyone on the forum but would just like people to know that it isn't as brutal as you may imagine and we aren't heartless....

Cheers,

suhail

Whilst I can never condone ritual slaughter just for the sake of religion I do see the way you perform it does at least respect the animal. I do know nothing of the methods used but have seen it a few times in the less sanitised parts of the world so I suppose I know more than I thought, but how is it done in a multiple manner? for some butchers for instance, they must need loads of animals and they cant all be killed as you describe.

I guess if we all killed our own meat it would be more moral, at least we could take the responsibility then.

Senna - why the ooops?

some other thread someone quoted "religion divides us, beleif unites us"
sums it up for me

[Howsie]

Interpretation divieds us, not Religion.

[liquidculture]

Originally Posted by Howsie

Interpretation divieds us, not Religion.

I disagree, in this context anyway, it is not possible to resolve the differences between religions however you interpret them.
Division does not necessarily lead to conflict however, just that differences of that order divide, how you choose to deal with the division defines the interpretation.

[brummie]

ok, i admit i haven't read all of this thread, but this is my 2p worth anyway.
Scientific/historic evidence proves that homosapians ate/eat meat, and have done for thousands of years. Fact. The method of slaughter (sic) has been defined by "wise men" (bo440cks) out of ignorance or self promotion. Those that follow the "teachings" of what ever religeon, ask yourself, does your mercifull god condone the agonising of other god made living creatures? Or do you do what mere mortals tell what is right. Can you be sure they weren't pi**ed when they interprited G**s word. Pain isn't pain, fear isn't fear unless you experience it first hand.

Smile.... I'm gonna slit your throat.

[GTR Fan]

suhail

Thanks for the info and honesty.

[Howsie]

Originally Posted by liquidculture

I disagree, in this context anyway, it is not possible to resolve the differences between religions however you interpret them.
Division does not necessarily lead to conflict however, just that differences of that order divide, how you choose to deal with the division defines the interpretation.

What differences are there between religions apart from the obvious?

It is the essence of the individual that prevails.

[liquidculture]

Originally Posted by Howsie

What differences are there between religions apart from the obvious?

It is the essence of the individual that prevails.

The obvious is enough surely, but look further and you'll find more.
I agree with your second statement, with one addition that its the essence of the strongest individual that prevails, and from then on it goes anywhere.

[z3gga]

Sorry to sound awefully stupid, but i've never been to an abbotoir before, how are animal's put down there? I'm assuming not everyone who has commented on this thread is a vegetarian so how is it done? I don't see any peaceful way of killing anything?
In our case religion isn't an excuse to slaughter animals as said above, the meat we eat has to have been made "halaal" which is the correct term. In other words when putting down an animal a muslim male has to say a particular prayer before the animal dies in order for it to be halaal, that is our religion and it would be very rude or unfair for anyone to question such belief's as it has been around for 1000+ years.
I do understand what you are trying to say and can also see things from your angle, but don't just look from outside the bowl and assume we're crazy, there's alot more to it than just an "excuse" to be brutal