R32 GTR Vs R33 GTR

[MS33]

Originally Posted by samgtr

i started of looking for r32 but soon was drawn to the looks of the R33 and dont regret it.

Good man!!

[gtrlux]

Actually for the hype of it I recently spoke to an old japanese GTR owner who actually drove a Hokosuka back in the days, which unfortunately he slammed in to a wall in 73 because he came from a sake party . . . now owns a R32 GTR V-Spec in standard trim.

For the Skylines and Skyline GTR design lines there are a few issues to consider in term of design evolution, which is not a fluent process, but process where, thought new design ,looked quick old, after a few years only, . . . .
The reason I think that, in total comparison the R33 GTR is the "less" liked, even many people including me loving its design, is because of the following in my view:

1) 1970 Hokosuka KPGC110 was an impact car, not because it was the most beautyful car of its time, certainly not, but it was just perfect because it combined modern industrial design with function, the howl car was very modern when it came out and set a new standard for japanese automobile design and industrial design.

2) Then the oil crisis came and the perversion of technology at the end of the 70., where cars had to have the newest electric gadgets, even if most of these new techs. were still un-usefull and crappy before they were really develloped in to the 80. This made all Skylines (as there was no GTR) look crap compared to the KPGC10, even being 10 years older by then. The Kenmeri being a US muscle car like car will not be considered here, as it set another standard for cars as the Celicas and Mitsubishi Galants in the 70.
So until the DR30 in the 80. you only got more boring designed cars, that couldn`t repeat the impact of the KPC110.

3) 1980~ with the DR30 and Tekamen Skylines once again a better design impact was achieved, now finally transferring the Hakosuka boxy design attempts in to real 80. boxy car design. It was a choice to go boxy or curvy, but as the wave of car designs in the 80. proved, many cars went boxy.

4) 1989~ With the R32 GTR then the bomb exploded for Nissan, as they not only produced the most modern performance car ever produced for an affordable price, but again they set a new standard for the Skyline design line. The R32 GTR design is the final evolution stage of the Hokosuka design trend sets of 1970. Its 20years of evolution with many setbacks, now finally producing a design that impacts the Skyline brand and japanese automobile world the same way, the Hakosuka did!

5) 1994~ R33 Skyline design. The dilemma with the R33 GTR design line is that the tech evolution and industrial evolution didn`t really move on since 1989. The car industrial designer of the automobile world of that time, basicly came all from the 70. and basicly got stuck with the R32 design, because it was so perfect-simple in 89. The R33 is an attempt to produce something different without wanting to be too different at all. Its the most experimental design of the Skyline brand. As the obvious thing to do was rounding shapes and cleaning up the interior. Its a great design and beautyfull body in my view. The R33 GTR sedan being for me one of the most beautyfull 4door GT cars ever produced for instance.
The problem is that the evolution went stuck in 1995. as it proved to rely to much on refining 80. design standards, rather then coming up with something that would impact the brand again the same as the Hakosuka in 70 and the R32 in 89. . . . its a bit of a dilemma that the Skyline models following the Hoko&R32 could only have a less design impact.

6) The 34GTR, loved by most peeps in the west, is the third impact in the skyline brand, because again it combined 2000~design evolution allready in 1998 and when the GTR came out in 99. with the Nismo bodykit, it was just the most modern and aggressive GT-coupe car out there.
The R34 GTR basicly set the howl industrial design of aggressive GT inspired sports car design for the next decade, even a Focus RS design in 2010 is a direct evolution from the R34 design line, combining boxy with curvy lines in a robotic Gundam like package.

At the end I see the R33 GTR being stuck in a time where design trends were not clear and Nissan did the best to come up with something different enough to be actual different from the R32 GTR, while being not different enough to make a real impact.


Thats my two cents and the feedback I get from many peeps in japan.

[Aryoneoo]

First I bought R32 GTR gun metal color because I really like that's aggressive look of R32 and price is really reasonable ..the only thing I didn't like is light and wiper switch are attach on the dashboard.
Than one of my customer at work have to pay me some money and he was selling R32 & R33 GTR and some of the others cars so I bought R33 from him .
Actually I didn't like the fat look and weight of R33.
But interior are much nicer and more comfort then R32.Now I like both of them and I only want one car so I want to sell one of them and I can't decide which one to sell, cause they both good in their own way, like every body said If I want to go on track or race on road I will definitely use R32 but If have to drive longer or some of my friend want to ride with me or If i want to impress a girl than I will definitely use R33.Other then that I love both of them so I couldn't decide which one to keep and which one to sell.
and one more thing ..For me I like every GTR and I won't race every GTR i saw on the road ,But I will race every time with every Supra I saw on the road and I will do any thing to smoke him.

[cleethorpes]

Originally Posted by gtrlux

Actually for the hype of it I recently spoke to an old japanese GTR owner who actually drove a Hokosuka back in the days, which unfortunately he slammed in to a wall in 73 because he came from a sake party . . . now owns a R32 GTR V-Spec in standard trim.

For the Skylines and Skyline GTR design lines there are a few issues to consider in term of design evolution, which is not a fluent process, but process where, thought new design ,looked quick old, after a few years only, . . . .
The reason I think that, in total comparison the R33 GTR is the "less" liked, even many people including me loving its design, is because of the following in my view:









At the end I see the R33 GTR being stuck in a time where design trends were not clear and Nissan did the best to come up with something different enough to be actual different from the R32 GTR, while being not different enough to make a real impact.


Thats my two cents and the feedback I get from many peeps in japan.

you and they are clearly incorrect.

[gtrlux]

Originally Posted by cleethorpes

you and they are clearly incorrect.

Ohh you are one form the clever corner, then enlighten us please.

[SPEED MERCHANT]

See the R32 is still clearly ahead though!

[cleethorpes]

Originally Posted by gtrlux

Ohh you are one form the clever corner, then enlighten us please.

look at a 32, then look at a 33, I need say no more.

I understand that the only reason there are more votes for the 32 is that there are more 32 owners. If I am not correct I apologise and the votes must be put down to sheer idiocy.

[Boosted]

Everybody knows, the R34 is king!!!

[cleethorpes]

turncoat

[MS33]

Everybody knows, the R34 is king!!!


Not!!!

[Boosted]

Originally Posted by MS33

Everybody knows, the R34 is king!!!


Not!!!

Is too

[MS33]

Originally Posted by Boosted

Is too

[Boosted]

We're all wrong, everybody knows the R35 is king!!!

But it's an easy pasta bake to make, I mean easy mistake

[cleethorpes]

a point well said !

[Tinoush]

Originally Posted by Boosted

We're all wrong, everybody knows the R35 is king!!!

But it's an easy pasta bake to make, I mean easy mistake

maybe in uk the R35 is the king.
but here in the Netherlands we like R34 more then the R35. reason is that we barely see any R34s is never imported like in uk. R35 on the other hand is officially imported and a handful of them are driving around. R34 is something special to us. doesn't cost to much and is like a collecting item to us.