R32 GTR Vs R33 GTR

[.::TopSky::.]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

Seems like you are standing in front of a mirror and talking to your reflection



oh that reminds me of the Michael Jackson song man in the mirror, which says:

I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
and no message could have been clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
take a look at yourself and make a change

I might as well post the song video




kidding with you mate, hope u enjoy the song anyway

Hahaha

Good one mate

[jlgumby]

hahah..... love how people are so defensive of their chosen model, like it's a personal attack if someone dissagrees.

I love them all, 32, 33, 34. Would have all if I had a garage big enough. But as I can barely fit one, the GTI has been relegated to the outside now, So I chose the one I liked the best.

And out of all of them, the 33 it was, and this was for a number of reasons.

I felt the 32s I drove actually felt a bit old (maybe they were just tired examples), and pretty raw, which was not a problem (I used to have a Clio Sport) if it meant it handled better, but then the 33 felt more refined, didn't feel like you were going as fast but you were going faster. It seemed to cornered with a little more rear bias in my opinion, and I've always prefered this. From the factory it was slower in a straight line, yet made huge gains around a forty something K track lap, that tells you the handling must be immensely better since it loses out in straight line speed.

And I had no intentions of leaving it stock, so it was always going to be as quick as most GTRs off the mark. So imagine how much faster it would get around the track with the same accelleration now? I'm happy.

So I was in a more comfy, more refined, more practical car, which in my opinion looked better (yes, my opinion, relax), and it was still a better allround performance package, best of both worlds indeed.

I'd only buy a no compromise performance car if it had performance that couldn't be matched without making it no compromise, if you know what I'm getting at. GT3 RS, F40 etc.

I drove a 34 and it felt almost exactly the same as all the 33s I'd driven. Looking under the skin tells the story, much of the 33 underpinnings are carried over, hence the only slight improvement in performance.

But saying all this, don't take it personally, these are my opinions, I love R32s, I was watching Group A racing in Aust when they made their debut, and that was it for me. i'd found the best car in the world, I was convinced. And I'd have one. I don't choose based on what everyone else likes, nor on what anyone else says.

And I didn't buy this to get around, i bought this as my track car solely. Why wouldn't I buy this one based on performance.

So love the one you love and you should be well pleased that you have one. But if you didn't get the one you love, then don't settle, you'll always be thinking.

Think I may have strayed off the topic a little.

[SeR GTR]

Originally Posted by jlgumby

I drove a 34 and it felt almost exactly the same as all the 33s I'd driven. Looking under the skin tells the story, much of the 33 underpinnings are carried over, hence the only slight improvement in performance.

Correct. Modern improvements for a modern GT-R. But the body style of the 34 went to follow that of the BNR32 especially size wise. That is why the Japs say the BNR34 is just a modern BNR32.

[jlgumby]

Originally Posted by SeR GTR

Correct. Modern improvements for a modern GT-R. But the body style of the 34 went followed that of the 32 especially size wise. That is why the Japs say the 34 is just a modern 32.

Spot on! i see it as a two step development process over the 5/6 years from the R32.

They sorted the performance and released it in '95 but wrapped it up in a shell which wasn't as popular with the purists.

In '99, they rectified this by giving the people what they wanted in terms of looks in the R34 by going back to the agressive, compact styling of the 32, and didn't need to make much change to the chassis setup from the 33 for performance.

[SeR GTR]

Originally Posted by jlgumby

Spot on! i see it as a two step development process over the 5/6 years from the R32.

They sorted the performance and released it in '95 but wrapped it up in a shell which wasn't as popular with the purists.

In '99, they rectified this by giving the people what they wanted in terms of looks in the R34 by going back to the agressive, compact styling of the 32, and didn't need to make much change to the chassis setup from the 33 for performance.

Exactly mate! Nissan gave the people especially the enthusiasts what they wanted. Some criticizing the R33 being not that dominating in motorsports compared to what the R32 did. You can actually see it also in their code, BNR32 and BNR34... while the 33 GT-R is BCNR33. But bottom line, like then magazine sportcompactcar said "sorry supra, sorry nsx, but there is nothing quite like the GT-Rs."

[GavGTR]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

I have chosen 33 for track and everything else, impressed with everything it does. in addition if you think 32 is better at cornering, think again, the slower time around the nurburgring states otherwise

Are we talking about the same size wheels on both cars to make sure there was parity?

Levels of grip dicate cornering speed and how much tyre contact you have to the surfaces accounts for alot there.

If you can verify that I might start to believe your statement.

[Nigel-Power]

Which part of my statement? whether you believe my statement or not, it's a known fact 33 is faster round the ring. why don't you go and find out yourself?

[GavGTR]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

Which part of my statement? whether you believe my statement or not, it's a known fact 33 is faster round the ring.

My point was actually coming from a different direction.

I'd be interested to see if you put both factory R32 & R33 Factory GTRs on the same spec wheels (dimensions and surface contacts) I think you might see some different results.

BTW - I'm assuming your talking about factory cars to right?

[GavGTR]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

why don't you go and find out yourself?

I go to the ring a few times a year as it happens, I'm reasonably farmiliar with it!

[Nigel-Power]

Obviously... stock cars, tuning cars are dependant on the level of tune and suspension setup etc.

the 33 was the first production car to lap the ring in under 8 minutes.

[Nigel-Power]

Originally Posted by GavGTR

I go to the ring a few times a year as it happens, I'm reasonably farmiliar with it!

Don't think you are the only one mate, and btw I wasnt talking about you going to the ring, but finding out the facts about ring times to do with 33 and 32

[GavGTR]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

Obviously... stock cars, tuning cars are dependant on the level of tune and suspension setup etc.

the 33 was the first production car to lap the ring in under 8 minutes.

In Factory trim, absolutely. I raised the point regarding the parity of grip levels and corning speed because you can afford a little bit more speed into the corners knowing you have the grip levels there to sustain traction.

There is a difference there.

225/50/16 Vs 245/30/17

I'd like to see a retake around that and see what comes out of it.

[GavGTR]

Originally Posted by Nigel-Power

Don't think you are the only one mate, and btw I wasnt talking about you going to the ring, but finding out the facts about ring times to do with 33 and 32

I know I'm not fella (lol), I usually travel out with quite a few other heavily modified GTRs, Evo's and the ocassional scooby & when I get there these always a mountain of people going around.

My R32 ran factory spec wheels for quite some time. I then sorted some other wheels. The changed grip levels and confidence this gives you to carry more speed through corners is truely awesome.

Hence my point. But hey I won't stand in the way that fresh out of the factory the R33 was the faster car, but wasn't subject to the same homologation criteria.

[jlgumby]

Originally Posted by GavGTR

In Factory trim, absolutely. I raised the point regarding the parity of grip levels and corning speed because you can afford a little bit more speed into the corners knowing you have the grip levels there to sustain traction.

There is a difference there.

225/50/16 Vs 245/30/17

I'd like to see a retake around that and see what comes out of it.

This is true, more rubber will "normally" assist with grip given the correct setup. However, and noting that the factory R33 tyres were in fact 245/45, (yes, the aspect ratio makes a difference), picking up anywhere near 23 secs around an 8 min lap would be one almightly stretch by giving an extra 20mm per corner on road tyres.

The second point to make here is that if we start commenting on changing things on a standard car to make it match another for the sake of fair comparison, then suddenly we're talking about a modified car against a stardard car (where do you draw the line?), and no one here is going to argue that a modified GTR is not going to be faster than a stock one. This takes me back to the Best Motoring test between the R32,R33,R34 and R35, where all were modified.

The R32 was considerably slower than the other three, not sure why, though seemed to run the similar power, and they were running any rubber they wanted. But once they're modified, it comes down to the work as much as the car.

So agree, a 32 will be closer with more rubber, but free the exhaust, increase the boost, fuel it better and tune the suspension and it'll pick up the whole 23 secs and more. Think you get my point.

[Nigel-Power]

^ you might as well take it to RK tuning to boost it up to 800hp and then take it round the ring?? then it might clock a faster time than the 33.