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Old 20th March 2017, 09:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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New MY17 or Older Model Nismo

Well just about sick and tired of waiting on Porsche and Lamborghini with neither of my new cars on order arriving until at least 2018 at the earliest so maybe back to GTR?

Now what to do?

Whats your thoughts,Tuned MY17 /LM20 or older model Nismo?

New Nismo at £150k is just plain stupid although a nice car!!!

Does anyone know what the older model Nismos are really changing hands for?

Also I really like the look of the interior in the MY17 cars!!!

Decisions???
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Old 21st March 2017, 05:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 21st March 2017, 06:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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LM20 all day long.
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Old 21st March 2017, 07:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
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LM20 2-0 Nismo so far then it looks like the LM20 and looking at the numbers Im going the same way!

LM20 3-0 Nismo
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New MY17 or Older Model Nismo

LM20 if I had the money! Especially with the 3 years free servicing and warranty
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What about if we throw the Nismo Track Pack in the mix? Seemed to be minus a lot of nice touches that the LM20 has, biggest bonus being the stiffer chassis?
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I thought the Nismo had the stiffer bonded chassis as standard
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LM20 will save you circa £30k and the interior will be the my17! Win win
Also think the LM20 will be quicker to shift if that's a consideration
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What about if we throw the Nismo Track Pack in the mix? Seemed to be minus a lot of nice touches that the LM20 has, biggest bonus being the stiffer chassis?
You could get the TP for the stiffer chassis and then go LM20?
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Barry, I was looking at getting back into an R35 and had the same choice.


Way I looked at it was like this:

Modded older GT-R.
Didn't really want an old one someone has messed about with, no warranty and generally older design. Been there, had the older models. After three years out of an R35 why go back to the same?

Nismo.
Overpriced, too hard suspension and ideal if you want to do a fair number of track days maybe. Not as a daily. Good kudos value but essentially an overly firm R35 and a daft price loading so you can say "I've got a Nismo".

MY17.
Great, like the new shape, interior and advances over older models. But standard car. Cost of standard car then mods and then after all that warranty concerns. Slightly too soft after previous ones.

LM20.
When I saw this come out I was sold as to me it's the perfect balance. New car, warranty, well thought out mods without just focusing on power. More usable than Nismo and lot cheaper. Enough power, good suspension, improved handling etc... it seemed like a no brainer to me.


I personally think the Track Edition MY17 is the one to go for, yet Nissan have sold surprisingly few out of the MY17s.
I just don't understand this!
Since 2014 the standard GT-R has been a tad soft.
The Track Edition has a firmer chassis and a number of other tweaks to make it a better car for fast road and the odd track day.
It also has the Nismo suspension which is too firm so ideal for the LM20 package...

So I stumped up the extra money to start with a Track Edition as the base car for my LM20. Yes, it added about £10-12k to the cost of my LM20, but if you are spending almost £100k on a new and very nice GT-R is it really that much more?
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Rich,

The 17 is soft because of the suspension not the chassis. The stock car chassis is still more rigid than previous gtrs so is a great platform on which to install stiffer suspension.

All LM20s come standard with Litchfield suspension which addresses the idea that the 17 is soft.
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The 17 is soft because of the suspension not the chassis. The stock car chassis is still more rigid than previous gtrs so is a great platform on which to install stiffer suspension.

All LM20s come standard with Litchfield suspension which addresses the idea that the 17 is soft.
Adam,

Yes I know, the difference between chassis and suspension.
I got my MY14 on 3 wheels around track at Castle Combe because of the soft suspension.

The Track Pack does have a stiffer bonded chassis though so will be more responsive on the same suspension as an LM20.

I believe that if you want to build a nice car, start with the best platform.
Which I personally consider the Track Edition to be.
Nothing against a normal LM20, but that's my opinion.
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That's good logic and is valid.

I'd do the same thing if ordering another.

It's difficult to justify the extra £10k though especially when ditching the suspension.

I think diminishing returns would have very much kicked in.

I wonder how many people could feel the difference in the chassis bonding with all else being equal, and if those people who would be willing to pay the extra for it.
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You can buy back the bits removed during the LM20 upgrade at a set cost.
So while you might "lose out" upgrading a Track Pack you can then buy back the Nismo wheels/tyres suspension at hte same cost of a standard one undergoing the LM20 treatment.

I am buying back the Nismo rims and tyres.
I have no need for overly firm Nismo suspension.

I also personally believe there are other improvements in the Track Pack, which make it worthwhile.
Not just suspension and body bonding.

It's only viable if you can justify the cost.
If spending nearly £100k on a new car I personally just think it's worth going that bit further.
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I to thought about going the track pack route for base of lm20 but decided I wasn't gona be pushing the car to the limit and woodnt be A noticeable difference for me .
The lm 20 will defiantly be best bang for buck gtr at present . Is it here yet
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I to thought about going the track pack route for base of lm20 but decided I wasn't gona be pushing the car to the limit and woodnt be A noticeable difference for me .
The lm 20 will defiantly be best bang for buck gtr at present . Is it here yet
I believe the first LM20 customer car was finished last week.
A white one IIRC.
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I believe the first LM20 customer car was finished last week.
A white one IIRC.
Yep, new owner was collecting on saturday morning, whilst I was there. Very nice, with a akra exhaust too! Over half the slots are filled now.
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OK so I think I'm on my own here....... but I'd be putting my money on the Nismo..... The LM20 is just a tuners version of a car, it hold no pedigree or anything special, it's just a modded GT-R!

Don't get me wrong it's probably nicely modded but that's all it is!

The Nismo will suffer less with residuals and will have a greater re-sale appeal or collector status.

Just look at the Middlehurst MI-16....... just another fettled with GT-R but worth dick all more.
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OK so I think I'm on my own here....... but I'd be putting my money on the Nismo..... The LM20 is just a tuners version of a car, it hold no pedigree or anything special, it's just a modded GT-R!

Don't get me wrong it's probably nicely modded but that's all it is!

The Nismo will suffer less with residuals and will have a greater re-sale appeal or collector status.

Just look at the Middlehurst MI-16....... just another fettled with GT-R but worth dick all more.
I kind of get what you're saying but some of the comparisons here just don't wash. The M16 is widely regarded as an extremely poor attempt at a 'limited edition', being just an ECU and a badge if memory serves me right.

The LM20 is a car created by probably the most respected and experienced GTR tuners in the UK, and one held in high regard internationally, with a list of upgrades that make it better in every way mechanically, compared to a standard GTR. They may not have pedigree in the sense that a long established car manufacturer may have, but they do in the sense that they have been working with GTRs in the UK before anyone else got their hands on one (nearly 10 years), they're not just some garage that have slapped some 'mods' on the car.

Difficult to say what residuals will be like on the LM20, I'm sure they will depreciate but probably not as much as a 'normal' GTR will.

Personally I just don't 'get' the Nismo. I'm sure it's a great car but it's a crazy price in my opinion, depreciation probably is less than an LM20 but I still don't see them being a good place to put your money.
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