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Old 20th April 2017, 02:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lightbulb NEW UK Speeding rules from 24th April 2017-READIN! 101mph 6points+-Temp ban

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There's new UK Speeding rules from 24th April 2017.. Not that we speed, just to make you aware of course! Chronos

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If you get caught speeding behind the wheel you will face harsher punishment from from April 24 2017.
Speeding motorists will be fined up to £2,500 under the stricter laws which have been introduced to send a tougher message to offenders.

Magistrates will be able to apply the maximum penalty of 150% of the offending drivers weekly income ; up from 100% ; from April 24.
Motorists caught speeding on the motorway will potentially face the highest fine of £2,500, where as those caught elsewhere could be fined £1,000.
For example, a driver caught doing 41mph in a 20mph zone or 101mph on a motorway could be fined 150% of their weekly income.



Fine Band A
Range-
25 - 75% of weekly income

Fine Band B
Range-
75 - 125% of weekly income

Fine Band C
Range-
125 -175% of weekly income

The Sentencing Council introduced the change because it felt the current punishments do not reflect the potential harm; that speeding can do.
Sentencing guidelines are set out in the table above but magistrates will have the ability to adjust what punishment is dealt based on aggravating factors; including previous convictions and weather conditions.

In 2015, 166,695 people in England and Wales were sentenced for speeding with the average fine £188.
Speeding is amongst a number of crimes to see tougher or alternative sentencing guidelines introduced including animal cruelty and TV licence evasion.
The changes will come into effect on April 24


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Old 20th April 2017, 02:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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But are these extreme cases or cases that go to court, as opposed to fixed notice penalties. I can't see them going into everyone's weekly earnings for a regular speed offence.

Ho hum...here we go again as war is declared on the easy target that is motorists once more.

The UK used to lead the world with common sense, but here we are with punitive, draconian and misguided legislation.
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Old 20th April 2017, 02:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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42mph in a 70, hope the copper prosecutes this guy for dangerous driving lol
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Old 20th April 2017, 02:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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yeah lets listen and observe a rule for the motorways,(speed limit) which was introduced in 1965,its just ridiculous,we'll be doing the same speeds as the americans soon, i don't think we should go out, a meteor might land on us and kill us, nanny state boll---s


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Old 20th April 2017, 03:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Hang on, did I read that right? 71 MPH in a 70 and it's a fine/3 points?

Show me ANY speedo that is 100% accurate then.
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Old 20th April 2017, 03:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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no thats impossible their has to be what they call sway,and as trev said speedos aren't 100% accurate and even if they start out like that they lose calibration over time, hence why the police get theres calibrated on a regular basis.


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Hang on, did I read that right? 71 MPH in a 70 and it's a fine/3 points?

Show me ANY speedo that is 100% accurate then.
Not sure if they trialed this at the end of last year. But the camera's on my commute on the M25 we going batshit crazy at people only appearing to do around 75mph. Somebody I know of who works in the local court, said they had to turn the cameras back off or at least up as they had so many people to process they couldn't handle it.

Personally I think I am going to go for another 200bhp in the hope that I cannot be caught!
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Can you imagine getting 3 points and a fine of 25% of your weekly income for going 1 mph over the speed limit! Hand held devices could cause more error than this due to slight movements.

Can't see it being that strict tbh
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Old 20th April 2017, 05:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The fines are simply the brackets, the prosecution guidelines will remain the same.
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Exactly! They also don't make mention the possibility to take a Speed Awareness course within the brackets ...
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Exactly! They also don't make mention the possibility to take a Speed Awareness course within the brackets ...
SA is via FPN only is it not? If it goes via CPS that gets taken off the table.
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Thanks for the heads up Chron.

Does this mean I can now set my cruise at 100mph and not expect a ban?

What I've learnt on my regular route:

The cameras along the m25 stretch from m23 to m3 only seem to go off over 90 mph and only very occasionally. I used to do the whole of that with cruise at roughly 97. A couple of times I got flashed but never got prosecuted.

The same stretch; cruise at 97, an unmarked mondeo races up behind me then put his blues on. I slowed down, he pulled along side so I waved and mouthed sorry. He glared at me then pulled in front and stamped on his brakes... then raced off again.

I know someone that used to be a traffic policeman, he told me ways of cheating the average speed cameras - can anyone guess how?
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I know someone that used to be a traffic policeman, he told me ways of cheating the average speed cameras - can anyone guess how?
Switch 2 lanes across.
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Nope. Does that work?
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Nope. Does that work?
See below, whats your trick?



The Home Office admitted yesterday that the hi-tech SPECS cameras - produced by Camberley-based Speed Check Services - are only approved to be used one lane at a time.
That means a three-lane motorway would require three separate sets of cameras - one for each lane. If drivers leave the speed-camera zone via a different lane to the one they entered in, they cannot normally be prosecuted.
The camera's manufacturers - Speed Check Services (SCS) - confirmed that drivers could escape prosecution by lane-hopping but discouraged it on 'safety' grounds.

But under Home Office 'type approval' rules, each individual set cannot be linked to any of the others. So cars are timed only between sets of number plate readers 'paired' for the same lane.
Most of the time each number plate reader in a pair will be directed at the same single lane of traffic and will therefore not detect lane hoppers, according to Mr Collins. He said:' If itís configured to monitor one particular lane, then it wouldnít pick up a lane changer.'

He added: 'There are configurations when (a speeding vehicle) would not be picked up, if itís gone from lane one to lane three between cameras.'
The company's technical director Graeme Southwood said that when the devices were approved by the Home Office in 1999, they passed strict tests for use in one lane at a time. But there was not enough time or finances to extend Home office approval tests to cover the cameras' use over two or three lanes at a time. This has created the loop-hole.

He still claimed - without spelling out any detail - that this loop-hole was not actually foolproof and that some of those who attempt to use it will still face a speeding prosecution.


A spokeswoman for the Home Office said: 'The manufacturers applied for the camera to be type-approved to measure one lane only. It has been type-approved for this use - this can be either the lane under the camera or a lane to either side of it.'
'A SPECS camera measures a vehicles speed over distance in one lane.'
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Thanks for that.

Very interesting.

Basically the technique the ex traffic cop told me was to hide behind a bigger vehicle as you pass the cameras so they don't see you. In theory this works but in practice may not and may also get you charged with tailgating.

Apparently he and his mates would do this without issue.
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Basically the technique the ex traffic cop told me was to hide behind a bigger vehicle as you pass the cameras so they don't see you. In theory this works but in practice may not and may also get you charged with tailgating.

Apparently he and his mates would do this without issue.
I sussed that one out myself years ago.

Worked so far.
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Thanks for that.

Very interesting.

Basically the technique the ex traffic cop told me was to hide behind a bigger vehicle as you pass the cameras so they don't see you. In theory this works but in practice may not and may also get you charged with tailgating.

Apparently he and his mates would do this without issue.


I can see that working but it would come down to timing and the position you were in on the road to get it to work
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SA is via FPN only is it not? If it goes via CPS that gets taken off the table.
I'll take your word for it. Hoping to never find out either way ...
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