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Old 8th June 2017, 11:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know it's political but can we discuss the GE, just for today?

It's hugely on my mind, and the only outlets are news sights with regurgitated analysis of polls.

I know it's against forum policy, but since the news media are curtailed on this special day, how about we can be uncurtailed to address the imbalance in the universe?
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In before lock

Looks like its gonna be close
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Can there be a good result ? worst choice of leaders ever imho
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Old 8th June 2017, 12:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The election or whether they let us talk about it here?

I was frightened to see that the £48bn of spending commitments have been fully "costed" by the top 5% having to pay "a little bit more".

Anyone else think that operates on the assumption that even with brexit uncertainty the existing companies paying 19>17% CT will stay and pay 27%,

Or that those with private healthcare and private schooling will just pay the extra 20% vat and won't be pushed into paying nothing and additionally burdening the public systems?

Don't get me started on paying to renationalise major industries with "bonds".
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Can there be a good result ? worst choice of leaders ever imho
I thought major/kinnock was pretty bad.
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Not sure if you've noticed it as well, but message boards that I read are all telling people to vote Labour, there's even a post by a person with a motorbike offering free rides to the polling station so they can vote labour. Like wtf.

I just can't believe how drastically the predictions have changed, from May to winning it by a landslide early on to now which is pretty neck and neck.

Predictions on a hung parliament?
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Hung parliament would be terrible but potentially less bad than labour majority.

May would have no power with no chance of any coalition this time (didn't think the last one was so bad personally).

Labour could only form a minority party with the backing of sturgeon which means indy ref 2 - More uncertainty.

Then you've got labour having to handle Brexit negotiations starting in two weeks. I'd be surprised if they had negotiated enough to form a government in that time.

It could genuinely be another one of those occasions when the polls get it drastically wrong again.

Historically they've always underestimated the shy tory vote - I suspect that was mainly the grey vote which given the dementia tax, loss of triple lock and winter fuel cut could have gone entirely this time. If the polls have adapted to try to remove this inaccuracy and then the electorate has actually swung the other way, then the labour poll could legitimately be hugely understated.

The only plus for me in that is the average number of labour votes required to take a seat is a chunk higher than the tory equivalent. That should mean that on equal polling, labour would still lose, but not by much.

I think the conservatives will win the most seats, but could very realistically lose their overall majority.

I know the betting odds say otherwise but the betting system is skewed by the amount bet, not by the number betting. That's why they got brexit wrong.
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I just can't believe how drastically the predictions have changed, from May to winning it by a landslide early on to now which is pretty neck and neck.

Predictions on a hung parliament?
btw. final poll of polls showed slight tory climb and labour drop. Average separation is 7% (43/36).

Think this is the same gap as last time, but with Corbyn showing more popularity than Milliband - how the hell can that be?
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My Opinion of Corbyn has changed ( thought he was just a tree hugger ) but he has come across as a decent ish bloke on the TV debates just not strong enough to run the country and deal with brexit , May i thought was ok before the debates but now think she is devious liar who is not in touch with the public at all , but she has a better party behind her than labour does - just my view - Oh i am not going to vote never have never will as they are all in it for them selves not us
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I agree with you Terry on almost all fronts. I see Corbyn as a terrorist apologist/sympathiser.

I always vote but on this occasion I think it's more important. I'm going with the lesser of two evils, purely because the worse evil will wreck the economy for years to come.
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and then there's poor Diane Abbott. I do wish her a speedy "recovery".
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Can't understand anyone voting labour, or their argument. Their hatred for ''the rich'' is normally too strong to argue with, really.

Love how everything is ''costed properly'' by Labour, apparently...it's all under the assumption that not a single ''rich'' person will leave the UK, like they're somehow forever stuck here. A LOT will leave, many big companies incorporated or thinking of future incorporation in the UK because of low Corporation Tax will leave. By the time they've ****ed off the burden will fall on small & local businesses, they won't be able to take it leading to the sacking of more people.

His socialist utopia will never, ever work, he'll **** up Brexit completely and ruin Britains economy.

I'm glad I have the option to leave if I must.
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and then there's poor Diane Abbott. I do wish her a speedy "recovery".
If they are saying her poor performances are down to her being ill, she must have been ill for the last couple of decades.
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Labour are in a no lose scenario, as soon as the GE got announced they knew that had no chance of winning. This has allowed them to go full socialist and promise the world knowing that they will never have to face the music and actually deliver it.

and when they don't win they can villify the "right" and virtue signal to their hearts content.
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and then there's poor Diane Abbott. I do wish her a speedy "recovery".
There's no cure for stupidity though Adam, she's an imbecile, plain and simple.
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In my borough there are active campaigns to vote tactically to get rid of IDS. No policy, no reasoning, just vote to get RID of the Tories.

It's embarrassing but thats the whole feel of this election. It doens't matter about Labours or Lib Dem policy, its jsut about getting rids of the tories.

Got forbid anyone remember the Labour shitstorm they inhered.

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p.d. thread can stay until the word immigrant, muslim, terrorist or anything else gets mentioned
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No one is pointing the finger at labour leadership for doing a "u-turn" on their selection of Diane Abbott for home secretary.

She has been terribly ill at crucial times before, notably the article 50 vote, where she had a migraine during the vote but not before or after it.

If they were upfront about removing her from the front line as a liability I'd have a lot more respect for Corbyn et al, but to lie on the basis of health has always been a line I think shouldn't be crossed. Of course she might actually be ill, in which case I do feel bad for her, but it doesn't make her a competent choice.
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Thanks for confirming Mook.

There's enough shit to be discussed without even touching on the taboo subjects.

Thing is I can't see why it won't be a labour landslide. You promise 95% of the population everything they ask for and that only 5% will pay for it. Since it's one man one vote in this country, that's a very attractive offer to 95% of the population who are already feeling the effects of 7+ years of austerity and everyone can see public services stuffed.

No one remembering that it was labour's spend policy that meant we didn't have any savings to enable us to weather the storm that was the financial crisis. No they didn't cause the global financial crisis yet they did burn our safety net. Australia, Canada and Scandinavia somehow managed to survive relatively unscathed!

So now we are relying on the intelligence on of the 95% to question the mentality of the man offering them everything. I'm not so confident.

I really hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling the polls are even further off this time.

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Can't understand anyone voting labour, or their argument.
I think it's the case that young people have been given pieces of paper that tell them they are qualified, then enter the world and are told actually they can only do low paid admin jobs, that the price of a house is forever out of their grasp but they should house share and pay a wealth owners mortgage and more.

Corbyn has appealed to a growing number of people who are economically struggling.

What he's promising is snake oil to solve the problem but at least he's making a suggestions.

Having said that, lets get starbucks paying tax and also recognise the situation with the trains at the moment is pretty rediculous.

Surely given her campaign there are going to be tory party members who push for her to go.

If you want a giggle william hill are offering 14/1 on Nigel Farage to be the next PM after Theresa May
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Thanks for confirming Mook.

There's enough shit to be discussed without even touching on the taboo subjects.

Thing is I can't see why it won't be a labour landslide. You promise 95% of the population everything they ask for and that only 5% will pay for it. Since it's one man one vote in this country, that's a very attractive offer to 95% of the population who are already feeling the effects of 7+ years of austerity and everyone can see public services stuffed.

No one remembering that it was labour's spend policy that meant we didn't have any savings to enable us to weather the storm that was the financial crisis. No they didn't cause the global financial crisis yet they did burn our safety net. Australia, Canada and Scandinavia somehow managed to survive relatively unscathed!

So now we are relying on the intelligence on of the 95% to question the mentality of the man offering them everything. I'm not so confident.

I pray to god I'm wrong but I have a feeling the polls are even further off this time.
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