Rubbish american muscle cars!

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

If you're into that, this is a good site:

http://www.popularhotrodding.com/


http://www.popularhotrodding.com/fea...vrolet_camaro/

I like it all

This the the OMFG
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...5f7618cc63.htm

[kingsley]

The thing I love about American muscle car engines is that you can slap on a turbo and make 800bhp without trying too hard yet the engine is still incredibly streetable.

Not quite so possible on a 2.6, unfortunately. As many have said here, there's no replacement for displacement.

[Durzel]

Originally Posted by kingsley

there's no replacement for displacement.

That's quite a tagline

[Drag'Mera]

The '69 Camaro has a 705 cuin engine...that's just over 11.5 litres...

TORQUE ME UP BABY!!!

[SteveN]

Some right blinkered crap spoken here. But luckily some decent stuff too.

GTRs are decent cars, but if we talking reliability for the BHP, and straight line performance, a similarly well set up big yank muscle car with the same money spent as on the GTR will rip the **** outa it in most situations.

[daytona]

Completly agree which makes it all the more strange why so many people seem determined to turn what was and is an incredibly capable circuit car into a drag car Although it is fun to see what an RB can do with enough money chucked at it it would be way better to concentrate on the original strengths of the car, ULTIMATELY it will always lose to a big block v8 in a straight line..............throw in a few corners, different story

[skyline69_uk]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

I understood that 250-300cc was the optimum size for a cylinder, as per F1. A 900cc cylinder is well away from that range.

Thanks for the link.

Depends what you want to do with it, F1's are high revving so smaller/lighter parts make more sense due to inertia forces etc. For a street engine it is reckoned 250 to 750cc (from AE books) that's the acceptable range in a modern engine. The 7l LS2 is higher than that but with the right tech it's not a problem. It all depends and NOTHING is set in concrete, depends on what sort of engine you want really.

[kingsley]

Originally Posted by daytona

Completly agree which makes it all the more strange why so many people seem determined to turn what was and is an incredibly capable circuit car into a drag car Although it is fun to see what an RB can do with enough money chucked at it it would be way better to concentrate on the original strengths of the car, ULTIMATELY it will always lose to a big block v8 in a straight line..............throw in a few corners, different story

Yeah I'm with you on this one.

[GTRJack]

haha what a funny thread

As it has been said it's a different market in the US but the both worlds are getting closer to each other everyday.

It has long time been a different cultures in the world of cars and the Yanks in their terms of speed has always been into making big power torque engine for accelerations on the quarter mile while people in Europe or Asia determs our the results of speed on track performance. If you have notice the last 10 years the American has just been into performance (Ford GT is one exceptions which has long time been into performance from America) and achieved incredable result the last 4 years at the La Mans, especially with their Z06 Covettes BUT the same time the Japanese has catched up the Americans in terms of the quarter mile race.

The Yanks especially driving Mustang and Camaros are p1ssed off of imports beating their rednecks arrsses on the street driving 2 liter FWD with 4 cylinder less then their cars, this is why the war has been going in the America the recent years "domastic vs. imports" especially after the first movie The Fast and the Furious was made and develop to become an underground subculture street racers for younger generation car enthusiast (which they claim to be).

The import tuner sceene in America has become huuge and the people has apreciated everyday and high end performance Japanese cars more, especially when their fuel price has gone up dramatically the recent year AND secondly been stealing the girls from the redneck Yank tank muscle lovers, that's why they're now feelin more threaten and p1ssed off then ever.

Look how Honda, Nissan and Toyota does in America now and look what the GM has become!

I must admit I've been into flame wars with them in some forums earlier but I soon learned it's a totally waste of time because they have no appreciation and NO respect for anything "performance and technology" other then BIG displacement.

Still though it's always funny to see a 2 liter 4 cylinder FWD beating the sh1t out of massive liter V8s like it was shown on this video racing with the Honda Civic It's also hillarious to think of America that has NASA and suposed to the world technological advanced leading nations still producing their ancient pushrods into their performance car and still having problem of making low liter per horsepower engines

Secondly those Yank tanks wheel spinning muscles is proven to be worthless NOTHING without slicks, maybe that's why imports keep beating them on the street Maybe that's why you almost never see one Yank tank muscle running on a drag strip with street tires. Do you know what an 400 horsepower and 800 horsepower yank tank on street tire have in common? YES they both run 13 seconds on the quarter mile

What the heck is 1000 horsepower RWD yank tank good for if it can't put the power to the ground "on the street"? That's why we have GTR and that's why EVO's and Scoobies are alot more appreciated cars in America the recent year

Anyway it's always hillarious to read those readings you find in http://www.streetfire.net

[Luckham]

Yeah whatever you say Jack - your the master race..

There is some merit in your arguement, but most of what your saying is just blatent anti-americanism [as usual] lol!

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by roadie

The problem with the big three is they don't want to build a high output/small dispacement car to challenge their benchmark sports cars. Corvette, Viper, Mustang, all pack some serious displacement. What does GM have for a car to appeal to the "younger buyers" ?? Oh ya, the Colbalt SS !!!!!

... ---> and Dodge SRT4. I was in hollyday in America not long ago and I went to have a ride on a SRT4. I didn't dare to tell the owner of the car the truth but I must admit it was the most rubbish smaller sport car i've ever driven. It's obvious the newer generation smaller American cars is that they have problem of making smaller displacement engine to be more responsive comparison to the Japanese, especially Hondas.

As for the discussion of the new C6 Z06 comparison to the Nismo R34 GTR Z-tune which they both have around the same 500 horsepower wasn't the Z-tune quicker in Tsukuba according to the Best Motoring from the recent tests?

Originally Posted by Luckham

Yeah whatever you say Jack - your the master race..

There is some merit in your arguement, but most of what your saying is just blatent anti-americanism [as usual] lol!

haha well maybe there's some truth in it I'm not gonna deny that

Seriously i've been talking to many of them and they're just flat out ignorent arrssholes arrogant and doesn't respect anything automotive performance other then big displacement, ever thought maybe that's why I hate them?

All they can say is "there's no replacement for displacement" and then freaks out. I actually agree with that statement but ONLY if you loves nothing but engine power.

Not to let anyone here missunderstand but let me make it clear once and for all. I don't hate their American cars, I actually like them alot for what they are "BUT I DON'T LIKE 90% of the people driving them and their attitude towards European or Japanese imports"

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by kingsley

The thing I love about American muscle car engines is that you can slap on a turbo and make 800bhp without trying too hard yet the engine is still incredibly streetable.

Not quite so possible on a 2.6, unfortunately. As many have said here, there's no replacement for displacement.

RB30 for the GTR or 2JZ from the Supra makes decent streetable power with turbo(s) doesn't they? Of course for the same output and big horsepower the V8 would be more understressed but their V8 pushrods from the factory can't either handle rev range and the amount of boost comparison to the JZ or the RB engines. Try to stress up LS1 V8 engine from the factory for example up to 9000 RPM and push to 2.5 Bar boost for a period of time and see which one last longer

Anyway as I said what're you gonna use RWD 800 horsepower streetable engine for if you can't put the power to the ground properly legally on the road on street tires?

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

RB30 for the GTR or 2JZ from the Supra makes decent streetable power with turbo(s) doesn't they? Of course for the same output and big horsepower the V8 would be more understressed but their V8 pushrods from the factory can't either handle rev range and the amount of boost comparison to the JZ or the RB engines. Try to stress up LS1 V8 engine from the factory for example up to 9000 RPM and push to 2.5 Bar boost for a period of time and see which one last longer

That statement right there tells me how much you really know about engines

1000hp is for the track, not the street. Why would you want to endanger the public?

4cyl beating V8s, I wonder what the percentages of that happening? Not like the picture you painted.

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

Not to let anyone here missunderstand but let me make it clear once and for all. I don't hate their American cars, I actually like them alot for what they are "BUT I DON'T LIKE 90% of the people driving them and their attitude towards European or Japanese imports"

Thats true Maybe 80% but that is a WAG.

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

1000hp is for the track, not the street. Why would you want to endanger the public?

Thought you guys were talking about the street

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

4cyl beating V8s, I wonder what the percentages of that happening? Not like the picture you painted.

That wasn't the point man. Of course there're not many percentage but the point is they FREAKS out everytime it happens, that's what so funny about it.

Hmm I must be wrong then coz I was reading that standard V8 engine from the factory arn't made to handle stress and the boost as much as for example 2JZs..

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

Thats true Maybe 80% but that is a WAG.

I love to overexaggerate, maybe it's just 70%

Typical V8 drivers attitude: http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...19DCDDDA8E.htm