Rubbish american muscle cars!

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

Hmm I must be wrong then coz I was reading that standard V8 engine from the factory arn't made to handle stress and the boost as much as for example 2JZs..

I love to overexaggerate, maybe it's just 70%

Typical V8 drivers attitude: http://videos.streetfire.net/hottest...19DCDDDA8E.htm

It depends on the V8. The early Factory Mustang 4.6 can handle well over 1000hp. My 5.0 in my Cougar can handle 10,000 rpms all day long, but the new ones check out at 500hp.

Maybe 70%

If a guy have a fast 4cyl, you have to give the guy props. I am just not a Honda type of guy. Most of them will dump 20k into there cars and run 12s, that is just not going to work in my book.

[kingsley]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

RB30 for the GTR or 2JZ from the Supra makes decent streetable power with turbo(s) doesn't they? Of course for the same output and big horsepower the V8 would be more understressed but their V8 pushrods from the factory can't either handle rev range and the amount of boost comparison to the JZ or the RB engines. Try to stress up LS1 V8 engine from the factory for example up to 9000 RPM and push to 2.5 Bar boost for a period of time and see which one last longer

The point is that you won't NEED to run 2.5 bar of boost or 9000rpm into a big V8 to get that sort of grunt so that's a null argument. Best to compare an 800bhp big V8 and an 800bhp 2JZ or RB. Or a 1000bhp one of each, whatever. The V8 will be lower revving, lower boosting and far far more streetable.

Your definition of streetable power is clearly very different to mine. My GTR makes over a bar of boost by 2500rpm in top gear yet I still find I wish it had more low down torque.

[SkylineUSA]

http://www.turbols1.com

Stock block at 17PSI of boost. Motor and Turbo capable of 25PSI. 725hp at the wheels, with 615lbs of torque, power numbers are 17psi. Look at the dyno graph, pretty good power band, very streetable.

Check these Vettes out http://www.vetteweb.com/features/041..._ls1_corvette/

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pack_cor_c5.htm

Turbo Mustang pegs dyno http://www.metacafe.com/watch/45213/...stang_on_dyno/

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by kingsley

The point is that you won't NEED to run 2.5 bar of boost or 9000rpm into a big V8 to get that sort of grunt so that's a null argument. Best to compare an 800bhp big V8 and an 800bhp 2JZ or RB. Or a 1000bhp one of each, whatever. The V8 will be lower revving, lower boosting and far far more streetable.

Your definition of streetable power is clearly very different to mine. My GTR makes over a bar of boost by 2500rpm in top gear yet I still find I wish it had more low down torque.

I get you and I agree as well but still that wasn't my point.. ah let's forget that Low down more immediat torque is the thing. So you stroke up your engine? If you simply want power just get the RB30 conversion or better swap an LS7 on it, end of story

V8 power, engine reliability and AWD grip <--- What better can you ask for That's why I've always hoped for the new GTR will have a V8

I just don't get some of you, if you love the American muscle V8 so much why did some of you bought a GTR in the first place

[skyline_beauty]

Chevy Bel Airs all the way

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

I just don't get some of you, if you love the American muscle V8 so much why did some of you bought a GTR in the first place

That is simple, I am not narrow minded I like what the different combos bring to the table, there is no clear cut winner.

[psd1]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

I get you and I agree as well but still that wasn't my point.. ah let's forget that Low down more immediat torque is the thing. So you stroke up your engine? If you simply want power just get the RB30 conversion or better swap an LS7 on it, end of story

V8 power, engine reliability and AWD grip <--- What better can you ask for That's why I've always hoped for the new GTR will have a V8

I just don't get some of you, if you love the American muscle V8 so much why did some of you bought a GTR in the first place

Hmmm, love all sorts of cars...owned Porsche, 3- 5.0 Mustangs an R34 GTR and a V-12 7 series Bimmer to name a few...if I were buying right now I would have to give the nod to the Z06...Shelby mustang is on the stret a while...

Methinks that you just hate "yanks" and this gives you a venue to spew your trash. Cars are built to satisfy customers...in the US they sell a TON ov V-6 stangs...because they look cool. Hardcore performance cars are for the few...not the masses!

Try to quit hating so much and appreciate what all the manufacturers have to offer. To me it's amazing that Chevy can get a 500 HP car to get 29 MPG...with a dinosour pushrod. My R34 wont get 21 on the best day...and at the ring...about 8-9 MPH is the best I can get...

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by psd1

Hmmm, love all sorts of cars...owned Porsche, 3- 5.0 Mustangs an R34 GTR and a V-12 7 series Bimmer to name a few...if I were buying right now I would have to give the nod to the Z06...Shelby mustang is on the stret a while...

Methinks that you just hate "yanks" and this gives you a venue to spew your trash. Cars are built to satisfy customers...in the US they sell a TON ov V-6 stangs...because they look cool. Hardcore performance cars are for the few...not the masses!

Try to quit hating so much and appreciate what all the manufacturers have to offer. To me it's amazing that Chevy can get a 500 HP car to get 29 MPG...with a dinosour pushrod. My R34 wont get 21 on the best day...and at the ring...about 8-9 MPH is the best I can get...

lol Don't take my words seriously. My part was being a bit sarcasting, just more like a joke. Anyway I appreciate a true car enthusiast like you

One of my top favorite cars are Ford GT and Dodge Viper and they are both Americans. There're just particually brand from attitude of the driver I flame out (F-body owners). If you've notice my message earlier I said:

"Not to let anyone here missunderstand but let me make it clear once and for all. I don't hate their American cars, I actually like them alot for what they are "BUT I DON'T LIKE 90% of the people driving them and their attitude towards European or Japanese" imports"

This message goes straight to the F-body (Trans-Am, Camaros etc.) owners in America coz 90% of them are fool hearted, close minded, ARROGANT arrsshole and hates anything imports worst then a Muslim extremists would hate the president Bush and doesn't appreciate and respect for anything other automotive performance and technology other then it must be "American big displacement". The rest for them is just sh1its to their eyes, trust me I've been talking to them in some forums and they're all the same. I've been to many Yankies car forums and 99% of all their flame war threads "domastic vs. imports" is caused by F-body owners (Trans-Am, Camaros etc.) Are you following me?

Let me give you an example in case you've missed this:

CHECK here: Fat man making fun of the Skyline GTR

I've been to forums around and talked to them and with their attitude towards us, do I have a reasion to dislike them?

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

That is simple, I am not narrow minded I like what the different combos bring to the table, there is no clear cut winner.

Well said I agree very much with you

[psd1]

GTR Jack...you will notice that I didnt list the F Body as a car I have owned...and part of that is because of attitude of alot of owners...plus they never really struck me as a "must have"!

In fact...I'm not a Chevy fan at all, but I have to give em credit for the new Z06!

Take care!

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by psd1

GTR Jack...you will notice that I didnt list the F Body as a car I have owned...and part of that is because of attitude of alot of owners...plus they never really struck me as a "must have"!

In fact...I'm not a Chevy fan at all, but I have to give em credit for the new Z06!

Take care!

^^ Me too, props to the new Z06

Sorry if I was overheated for a while but I also hope you get my point and why. It's nothing at all about the car, it's all about the driver who owns the car and their close minded attitude. I've seen so much of them you should've known. If someone goes and make fun of your car for no reasion I'm pretty sure you'd understand even more what I'm talking about.

I hope this things clear up a bit. I'm NOT American car hater

Take care you too, cheers all

[donk_316]

Who said their 5.0 Ford engine could handle 10,000 rpm all day??

What dream world is this based on? If this is the american ford 5.0 then you are so full of shit... lol!

[psd1]

Originally Posted by donk_316

Who said their 5.0 Ford engine could handle 10,000 rpm all day??

What dream world is this based on? If this is the american ford 5.0 then you are so full of shit... lol!

Ha Ha...ONCE all day to 10K!

[kingsley]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

If you simply want power just get the RB30 conversion or better swap an LS7 on it, end of story

I'd have an RB40 if there was such a thing. IMHO an RB30 would be better, obviously, but still not as streetable as I'd like with, say, 600bhp. Then again, I'm fussy.

Originally Posted by GTRJack

V8 power, engine reliability and AWD grip <--- What better can you ask for That's why I've always hoped for the new GTR will have a V8

Likewise!

Originally Posted by GTRJack

I just don't get some of you, if you love the American muscle V8 so much why did some of you bought a GTR in the first place

Because while I like the look of those cars and the engines they have in them, I don't like their inability to corner and I'd prefer to have 4 wheel drive if I'm going to have a reasonable amount of power.

I love the grunt the big V8 engines can easily give when tuned but I'd like that in a package that can get the power down onto the tarmac and go well round corners.

Sadly for me, such a car that's within my price range doesn't exist and so the GTR was the one that ticked most (but not all) of the boxes.

[tonysoprano]

FUSSY!!!!!!! what an understatement Kingsley. LOL


Tony

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by kingsley

Because while I like the look of those cars and the engines they have in them, I don't like their inability to corner and I'd prefer to have 4 wheel drive if I'm going to have a reasonable amount of power.

I love the grunt the big V8 engines can easily give when tuned but I'd like that in a package that can get the power down onto the tarmac and go well round corners.

Yep I have aprox the same view as you. For me it's the whole package that matters. That's why I prefer the GTR... even though it lacks displacement a bit