More pics of the next GTR

[King Nismo]

SHHH not get personal...does he even have a skyline and a GT-R at that? The new GT-R will be a very unique car yes of course. But I just favor the old ones. Is that too much to say since we already know what they can do....Like all things we shouldn't over hype things we only get to hear people talk about. Doesnt matter to me thought..I speak my mind and I am just saying I love my GT-R and being the only one in the country with this limited edition version is far better than easily picking up one from the dealership. True GT-R enthusiast in the states and many parts of the world know how hard it is to get a skyline GT-R into their country...it isnt easy and takes money. I am of the opinion that if I can get something very few people can have then why not but you dont even know then engine specs. I have a friend that works for Nissan and he tells me it we destroy the r34 but just because I know that doesnt mean I am going to give out $80,000 again..People will get it because it is something new on the market...well at least the ones that don't have a clue abouts its history. Is that so bad for me to love my Nur over the new GT-R diddy p? and are you even planning on getting one most of all? I am not getting personal about it...but the Nur did hold the fastest lap time at Nurburgring for 2.5-3 years....I dont mean any harm...but I can say the same thing...if you hate the old GT-R...the ones that paved the way for this new one...your the idiot. If it wasnt for the old ones that thing would have to prove what it can do from the beginning...not rely on reputation and motorsport history. Also the old ones dont have a French influence. Yes it will take me time to get it through my head that the new one is cleary faster but for now...while the r34 is still supreme and is the best GT-R to date..will love it until then...who knows...if it is as good as they claim it to be then I could trade the car in.

[Blow Dog]

It's not hard for any car to totally destroy a standard GTR. It's a relatively slow car in todays market.

It's also totally futile to compare a heavily modified 34 with a standard car. Again, you've spent considerable money on top of the cost of your car and to compare it with a standard car would be unfair.

[King Nismo]

hey its blow dog! Yes I mean of course the car will destroy me stock...But it should be fully tuned by the time it comes to USA...and I dont plan on leaving it stock until then. The real question is can it beat me when modified to modified. That is the what I want to know. I know no other car that with in its price range that can beat a GT-R on the track so only time will tell what happens. I want to wait but since the car would be newer and better technology than my car then it would be just a little fair to have small amounts of performance parts...it will have more power stock. But if I get the chance and I am sure I will...I will just run on low boost to see which is faster then...then after that I will race a modified version. I am just saying I love my Nur alot right now...the car isnt that old and is basically brand new.

[Blow Dog]

Well indeed. The single biggest credit we can attribute to any GTR is it's massively over engineered block. If 350BHP was the limit of it's potential, it would not have had the success we've seen.

[diddy_p]

hi king, look i was out of line calling you an idiot, my bad. its just i feel you came accross as a bit arrogant but i shouldnt have said that. after all what one types on the internet is just that, if i saw you say what you wrote i'm sure it would have come accross differently. apologies again.

i dont have a skyline, i have a 300zx twin turbo, not quite in the same league, although i have driven a few skylines. i am actually looking into purchasing an r34 v-spec or nsx from singapore and importing it to the uk (done this before with other cars); i have studied the esva rules etc and understand ludders has got one in from japan... but thats for another thread.

i think the new gtr looks a little odd, but im sure the car will look better in the flesh and i hope that it it carries off where the r34 left in the performance stakes and then buy one in 2010 hopefully. if the final z-tune was really a taster of whats to come with the new gtr, then that will be great!

[King Nismo]

well I agree...but the new GT-R looks weird and simply not my cup of tea...it just doesn't bring sweet joy to the soul when I see a old GT-R on the streets. I remember when I saw my 1st r32 GT-R...I lost vision for 3 seconds because I was so excited! Yes I have owned a 300zx as a daily driver and it was a nice car. I plan on getting another one soon so I can do some serious modifications to it like I am doing to my plans with the Nur...you guys in UK have skylines...we in the USA don't...its easier to get it there than scrambling around here trying to look for one. To best of my knowledge... I have the only Mspec Nur in the country..the other owner hundreds of miles and a few states away from me has a HKS kansai demo car Vspec 2 Nur he keeps locked up and doesnt want anyone to know about it. I didn't mean to sound arrogant even thought it was I haven't had my car for long so I feel like I am the king of the world until I step up to the wrong car and get my a$$ handed to me....fair and square. So yes I appolgize for coming off cocky. I just plan to take the new one down like the r32 tried to when the r33 came out..and the r33 up against the r34.

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[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Well indeed. The single biggest credit we can attribute to any GTR is it's massively over engineered block. If 350BHP was the limit of it's potential, it would not have had the success we've seen.

Exactly, thats the reason why so many people where upset about the demise of the RB block. While its a heavy old lump that dates back decades its one tough nut.

I am however starting to get a little confused though now because when the VQ35DE initially begun getting tuned I was told by Middlehurst (talking about the first aftermarket HKS turbo conversions) that the VQ's all aluminum block (while considerably lighter than the RB series) could only take about 480-500hp before it went POP!

If they up the CC's and make a VQ38DETT I assume that would get around 480-500bhp in factory tune state. The only thing I worry about is what Cem stated, the tuning potential for the block. I assume Nissan will build in its usual +30% margin which would make it 'safe' to around 630hp...

A tuned power output of say 630hp could satisfy the aftermarket some but if thats the absolute safe limit on the new car then the R34 with its cast iron block will still be the king of the drag scene for a long time to come... We could even see some attempts to retro fit tuned RB's into the new chassis

Just some food for thought...

Trev

[King Nismo]

A friend of mine that works at nissan and is envolved in the project when it comes to the states tells me it will be a 3.2L not a 3.8L...it will be a VQ32DETT and will be able to rev to 9000rpm and it wont have the problems the 350z and G35 coupe engines have when modified. he hasnt said or not whether it is going to be a AWD or RWD but I am pretty sure it will be AWD. I also heard from edmunds that it could be automatic...but i doubt that...if it was it would completely destroy the GT-R.with the R34 it has 328hp. but the Nur I hear can hit 580hp-600hp on its stock N1 turbos...I don't know because I dont want to try it in mine...I am sure I can do it but I dont recommend doing it because I am selling my N1 block as soon as my performance parts come for a much stronger Nismo GT500 spec Block with a Crower custom stroker kit. So with that said the Nur would be a better chance of a race with the new GT-R than a standard R34 like the vspec model. I just curious how that thing will perform on the track....it has alot of expectations to live up to. Though it doesnt looking like to 2nd generation GT-Rs I hope it can somewhat live up to the hype. Whether it fails to amaze...it still wont shame the GT-R reputation because it is a new direction with the GT-R and the 2nd gen. is over. Plus don't forget the new 997 GT2 is coming soon...I dont think that GT-R will be able to take it...but for the money you spend on a 997 GT2 you could buy 2 GT-Rs...or one with many many performance goodies. I say it still will be in my opinion the same as it has been. It will beat most cars but still will be beaten by the new NSX (if it ever comes out) and etc etc...

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

A friend of mine that works at nissan and is envolved in the project when it comes to the states tells me it will be a 3.2L not a 3.8L...

It would seem illogical for Nissan to make it a 3.2? Why would they do that when they already have a 3.5 to start with out of the G35 and 350z? Doesnt seem to make any sense? Anyone have any idea why they would consider reducing the CC's? Emissions regs? Why reduce torque?

This is especially strange considering it would be easy enough to stretch the VQ35DE to 3.8 litres without too much additional engineering and then add turbo's and do all the usual stuff like lowering the compression ratio, etc. Also considering its supposedly using the new fangled variable vane turbo's and direct in-cylinder injection. With these newer technologies it should be even more torquey right through the rev range (and thus feel very V8 like), if its a 3.8 it should drive very nice and feel full of torque. I certainly hope it aint a 3.2!

[King Nismo]

haha well I can't argue..to be honest I really couldnt care less....I just giving what I am getting. I cant tell you whats on the but from what he tells me. the car better live up to the hype though

[Bean]

Originally Posted by Trevor

It would seem illogical for Nissan to make it a 3.2? Why would they do that when they already have a 3.5 to start with out of the G35 and 350z? Doesnt seem to make any sense? Anyone have any idea why they would consider reducing the CC's? Emissions regs? Why reduce torque?

This is especially strange considering it would be easy enough to stretch the VQ35DE to 3.8 litres without too much additional engineering and then add turbo's and do all the usual stuff like lowering the compression ratio, etc. Also considering its supposedly using the new fangled variable vane turbo's and direct in-cylinder injection. With these newer technologies it should be even more torquey right through the rev range (and thus feel very V8 like), if its a 3.8 it should drive very nice and feel full of torque. I certainly hope it aint a 3.2!

I'm not saying there is any strength in the rumour about a 3.2 but that was one thing that the Japanese magazines said a couple of years back. The idea they said was to use a shorter stroke engine for more revs.....

[King Nismo]

ha...well then maybe Mark came through and delievered so very useful information...and he also told me the car will be $80,000. and if it is confirmed that it will be a 3.2 stroker. then of to get a custom 3.1L or try and get a 3.2L stroker kit from Crower as originally planned. If I can't match its up to date technology then I will at least try to match it's engine displacement. I can live with 9,000rpm but knowing Crower I could possibly and hopefully get 9,500rpm.

[andreasgtr]

Originally Posted by Trevor

Exactly, thats the reason why so many people where upset about the demise of the RB block. While its a heavy old lump that dates back decades its one tough nut.

I am however starting to get a little confused though now because when the VQ35DE initially begun getting tuned I was told by Middlehurst (talking about the first aftermarket HKS turbo conversions) that the VQ's all aluminum block (while considerably lighter than the RB series) could only take about 480-500hp before it went POP!

If they up the CC's and make a VQ38DETT I assume that would get around 480-500bhp in factory tune state. The only thing I worry about is what Cem stated, the tuning potential for the block. I assume Nissan will build in its usual +30% margin which would make it 'safe' to around 630hp...

A tuned power output of say 630hp could satisfy the aftermarket some but if thats the absolute safe limit on the new car then the R34 with its cast iron block will still be the king of the drag scene for a long time to come... We could even see some attempts to retro fit tuned RB's into the new chassis

Just some food for thought...

Trev

That´s why Top secret planted the V8 into the 350GT.
I think Smokey said something about the low tuneability of the 3.5l V6 and that´s why they went the V8 path.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by andreasgtr

That´s why Top secret planted the V8 into the 350GT.
I think Smokey said something about the low tuneability of the 3.5l V6 and that´s why they went the V8 path.

There is progress for you!

I just prey that Nissan have taken consideration of the GT-R's rich history and past. I.e. that it is known for its tuning. If the new GT-R's engine isn't tunable I really believe it will be the death of GT-R's rich legacy, i.e. they will kill the GT-R off.

Hmmm. perhaps I better buy a good R34 GT-R NUR while I can!

[King Nismo]

Yes...I do also but it might be hard for Ghosn to understand. My M spec Nur will take that thing down and thats my mission. Whether I am successful or not it is my mission. I really couldn't care if anyone will hate or bash me about it either haha. Besides Nurs are as easy to find as vspec models. It took me a very long time to find the one I wanted...I missed a Vspec 2 Nur with 800km my a hair so I was determined to get another one so I went with the Mspec Nur. I dont think it will have that same feel as the old ones. But from what I hear even though the it will be a V6 it will still be just as strong and just as durable as the RB motor...that....is something I have to see with my own 2 eyes.