Are Skyline more powerfull than GTOs? Dynoshoot out! - Page 4 - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum

Want to buy a banner ad? Find out more here.

Go Back   GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum > General > Nissan Skylines including R32, R33, R34 and others > General Nissan Skyline GTR Chat



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16th March 2007, 06:58 PM   #46 (permalink)
tuRBy is on boost
GTR Register Member
 
tuRBy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Cars owned: 32gtr
Posts: 632
nice vid, that gt42 sounds awesome
__________________
tuRBy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 08:19 PM   #47 (permalink)
AJFleming has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
AJFleming's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Poole, Dorset, UK
Cars owned: 620BHP Track prepped FD3S RX7
Posts: 3,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladerider View Post
Aw bless,

You bought your turbo a jacket to keep it warm when its not doing anything in your GTO as its about as quick as glacial drift !!!

The turbo is like the fuse for the bomb sat next to it, the ghastly explosion waiting to happen that is the GTO v6, and thats coming from someone that has had plenty of grenade RB's and 13B's. The GTO is in a different league.
__________________
AJFleming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 10:08 PM   #48 (permalink)
GTO NEMESIS has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
GTO NEMESIS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Iver Village, NR Heathrow
Cars owned: Single Turbo GTO
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by AJFleming View Post
The turbo is like the fuse for the bomb sat next to it, the ghastly explosion waiting to happen that is the GTO v6, and thats coming from someone that has had plenty of grenade RB's and 13B's. The GTO is in a different league.


Why post things you obviously know little or nothing about.
Where have you proven that the RB motor is stronger than a fully built and balanced 6G72 motor?

When have you PROVEN ANYTHING that you have just posted?
Have you fitted one to a 6G72 before?
Do you know anything about the 6G72?

__________________
GTO NEMESIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 10:24 PM   #49 (permalink)
Nicolas Kiesa has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: UK Switzerland Scandinavia
Cars owned: toyota Supra & R34
Posts: 225
GTO Nemesis:

Ive built, ported, balanced, measured and carried out every single upgrade on my Gtr, check out my site for proof.

I drive it every day, round Europe, never ever broke down.

So this challenge: "I would put my car against any GTR in the UK that the owner did the work on their own car."

Here is a little teaser with my shabby Gtr with 98 octane fuel of course :-)
http://narko.lir.dk/kismo/In-Subsubs_face1.wmv

Which category would you like to compete? Drag, circuit, street race, top speed?

Nicolas K
__________________

Last edited by Nicolas Kiesa; 16th March 2007 at 10:27 PM..
Nicolas Kiesa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 10:39 PM   #50 (permalink)
turbomart has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Norwich
Cars owned: Mitsubishi GTO TT
Posts: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by AJFleming View Post
The turbo is like the fuse for the bomb sat next to it, the ghastly explosion waiting to happen that is the GTO v6, and thats coming from someone that has had plenty of grenade RB's and 13B's. The GTO is in a different league.
Oh yeah they are such a weak engine .....note the bit about the stock bottom end
Video - Matt Monett of Dynamic Racing shatters the 9 second barrier in his 1st gen Stealth drag car, stock bottom end, 4 drag radials DR 1000 DBB turbos @ 30psi and no nitrous - Dynamic Racing

show me another car that has achieved a 9 sec quarter on a stock bottom end.
__________________
turbomart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 11:30 PM   #51 (permalink)
Nicolas Kiesa has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: UK Switzerland Scandinavia
Cars owned: toyota Supra & R34
Posts: 225
daaaim 151 mph, thats fast.

Nicolas K.
__________________
Nicolas Kiesa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2007, 11:43 PM   #52 (permalink)
bladerider is still recovering
GTR Register Member
 
bladerider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Soon to be in a fridge !!!
Cars owned: R32 amongst others !!
Posts: 5,301
I think its only got a standard (read heavily modded but the original item rather than a forged one) crankshaft, the rest os all new/modded/forged !!!

The best this car has done with what we in the UK would call a "Stock bottem end" is a high 10 !!

J.
__________________
bladerider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 12:27 AM   #53 (permalink)
GTO NEMESIS has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
GTO NEMESIS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Iver Village, NR Heathrow
Cars owned: Single Turbo GTO
Posts: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladerider View Post
I think its only got a standard (read heavily modded but the original item rather than a forged one) crankshaft, the rest os all new/modded/forged !!!

The best this car has done with what we in the UK would call a "Stock bottem end" is a high 10 !!

J.
What are you talking about?
Matt Monnets car has a 100% stock never been apart bottom end with over 80,000 miles on it.

So yes, it has a stock bottom end.

Still waiting for the PROFF that a 6G72 is a weak engine, or that a RB is stronger.

It's also interesting to see that the people that have done all the bitching havent got the balls to put there car on the dyno in a shoot out...

As for the offer of drag, terminal ect whay not get your name down for TOTB and we will see how we fair.

Mark
__________________
GTO NEMESIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 12:35 AM   #54 (permalink)
GTO NEMESIS has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
GTO NEMESIS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Iver Village, NR Heathrow
Cars owned: Single Turbo GTO
Posts: 33
Nicholas,
Nice website. Good to see someone doing all the work themselves instead of dropping it of at a tuner with a blank cheque attached to it.

It would to see how the two cars stack up against each other, is your car in the UK or Switzerland?

Also notice that you have up'ed the cc of the engine, this is something I am doing at the moment with a custom crank, rods pistons ect so I will have 990cc over your 2.7L - It should help my big 42RS spool nicely

I'm interested in this pic:
http://www.kismo.dk/Kismo%20pics/sta...001%20(37).jpg

Is that a stock sump for the GTR? Or is it a custom jobie?

Mark
__________________
GTO NEMESIS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 01:00 AM   #55 (permalink)
SPEED MERCHANT is hating his new shift pattern
GTROC Board Member
 
SPEED MERCHANT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Gotham City Suburbs
Cars owned: ARKHAM
Posts: 4,344
What this thread needs is the infamous & knowledgeable DANOH to make an appearance ... he has some great things to say about the GTO & their engines
__________________
ズピード マーシャント

GTROC/FORUM FAQ's

GTROC LONDON REGIONAL REP
GTROC NATIONAL EVENTS COORDINATOR
GTROC OPEN FLAME COOKING SPECIALIST


TEAM-ARKHAM - Proudly sponsored by I.A MOTORSPORT / JAPSALON / MEISTER R / ECLIPSE CAR AUDIO / SHARP SIGNS
SPEED MERCHANT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 01:47 AM   #56 (permalink)
turbomart has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Norwich
Cars owned: Mitsubishi GTO TT
Posts: 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by bladerider View Post
I think its only got a standard (read heavily modded but the original item rather than a forged one) crankshaft, the rest os all new/modded/forged !!!

The best this car has done with what we in the UK would call a "Stock bottem end" is a high 10 !!

J.
Bladey, this is the mod list for that car..........

mod list

Dynamic Racing Stage III Cylinder Heads
Dynamic Racing Street Cams
Dynamic Racing DR-1000 DBB Turbo Kit
Front Mount Intercooler
62 MM modded stock TB
GT-pro twin pump fuel system
Fuel Pump Hotwire Kit
Dynamic Racing Ported Lower Intake
Turbo Bob ECU (8800rpm)
Denso 720 cc injectors
Split Second ARC-II
Unorthodox Racing Adjustable Cam Gears
HKS Twin Power DLI Ignition Amplifier
ATR Downpipe
RPS Twin Disc Carbon/Carbon Clutch
Blitz DSBC ID Boost Controller
Forge Polished BOV
Krank Vents
ACPT ONE PIECE Carbon Fiber Drive Shaft
PWR Radiator
Tien Coilover Suspension
twin Greddy EGT guages

and he was asked this question.............


Tell us more about the block. What used pieces, other than the potpourri oil pump, are in it? Just trying to get an idea of the general health and age of the short block.



Matt's answer................

the crank was out of a take out motor that I had sitting here that was in good shape. To replace the stock one after the damage caused by the last 12000 rpm over rev.

The block was not even cleaned from the mettle that was in it before because I did not want to spring for new head gaskets, and was running out of time.

I did not want to spend any more money on this motor knowing it was going to be coming out shortly and was most likely not going to live very long with all stock stuff anyway.
__________________
turbomart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 07:45 AM   #57 (permalink)
Sidious has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Sidious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: S.E London
Cars owned: R33 GTR, S2000, Supra, M3, R32 GTR (RIP), list goes on and on
Posts: 605
This thread is childish and there is some superiority complexes with some personalities here.

The past 3 generations of Skyline were never intended to be dyno queens or drag cars, but unfortunately as these cars get cheaper it falls into the hands of people who have no interest in track or cross country ability. Yet as a tuner - if you want to sell performance parts, tuners have to drag and dyno their cars to prove their products credibility to this growing market. I think the general impression of Skylines have downgraded from high performance homologated GTs to a pizza base for the motorway racing / drag merchant.

So you want to compare the GTO to a Skyline over BHP and say its all good fun??? There's more fun in actually DRIVING a 300 bhp Skyline for 3 hours on roads or tracks that demand the full use of the Skyline's capabilities, rather than just unleashing 600 BHP for 20 seconds on dyno or santa poo.

I'm all for personal preferences, you might think strapping a GTO with polished go faster parts and 50 kilos of kicker ICE is fun - good for you - but if you think many Skyline owners are really bothered about what makes more BHP while you all munch on bacon rolls waiting for your result printout - then you do have a distorted or under-sold view about the Skyline.
__________________

Last edited by Sidious; 17th March 2007 at 07:47 AM..
Sidious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 01:58 PM   #58 (permalink)
gtrlux is in red Skyline mode
Registered user
 
gtrlux's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: JAPAN
Cars owned: Top Secret R32 / R34 sedan
Posts: 5,786
Guys, who cares what car is better in a few little details . . . . .
The truth is that each japanese maker has 10 times more cars, in the past and present, in it's car range, then any carmaker in the west . . . despite that each maker produced a fast, reliable, and most of all cheap sports car . . . for the joy of a wide range of customers . . . .

The GTO is a great car, not the most powerfullst, most tuneble, most beautifull . . . . but with the other japanese top sports cars a contribution to the customers, that don't piss money . . .
__________________
gtrlux is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 03:49 PM   #59 (permalink)
Luckham has no status.
GTR Register Member
 
Luckham's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: La La Land
Cars owned: BNR32 GT-R
Posts: 1,661
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO NEMESIS View Post
GTO NEMESIS Mitsubishi GTO TT Modifications list
1992 GTO TT Black

Engine:

6G72 Serdi blue printed block bored and plateaux honed to 92.5 mm with steel deck plate, Deck Heights planed, Crank journals realigned and plateaux honed, block sonically tested and hot tanked.
.25 stainless O rings
Mitsubishi forged crank, factory spec statically & dynamically balanced
Cevlitte Bearings
ARP Head Studs tightened to 97 LBS/FT
Crower H Beam Rods Pt No. B93763PF / C to C 5.548 / B.E. Bore 2.086 / Pin 22mm – Crower rod bots
Wiseco 92.5mm forged pistons Pt No. K570M925, coated and weight matched, Wiseco Rings
Technical Tuning Custom 2mm copper head gaskets
OEM Water pump, Oil Pump, pulleys / tensioners & belts
Topline gasket set
Custom Oil feeds
Goodridge Oil Return
Morosso 2L oil accumulator


Cylinder Heads:
Stage 3 Self Ported cylinder heads, 6mm width, 5mm height - heads flow benched and cc matched
Phosphor Bronze plateaux honed Valve guides, Serdi UK Spec
Nitrated 3 angle Serdi Valve seats


Cams/Valve Train
Dynamic Racing custom Race grind cams
DR High Rev spring and retainer kit


Valves
Ferrea Competition Plus Valves (Super Alloy) – 1mm oversized

Exhaust valves-
Pt No. F1854P
Head Diameter 31.5 mm
Stem Diameter 6.55 mm
Overall length 105.5 mm
Tip length 3.8 mm
Details: 25° Flo 1mm oversize. Super Alloy

Intake valves
Pt No. F1852P
Head Diameter 36 mm
Stem Diameter 6.57 mm
Overall length 106.35 mm
Tip length 3.8 mm
Details: 25° Super Flo 1mm oversize

Top Line 99 spec Lifter/Lash Adjuster
Pt No. LIFMI6 with large oil wholes
New OEM Rockers


Turbo / Exhaust:
Garret GT42RS Turbo – MK Performance Spec’d
Custom 1.5” primary headers
Custom 2.25” secondary header
Turbosmart Ultragate 38 external wastegates with 18 PSI springs (two of)
4” custom downpipe
3.5” straight through custom Stainless steel exhaust with HKS Hiper Muffler can
4” exhaust V Band clamp
3.5” outlet V band clamp


Intake:
Custom Stainless Steel Filter
4” Aluminium cold air feed
Ported and matched upper plenum
Ported and matched lower plenum


Intercooler:
MB Performance Intercooler 3” inlet 3” outlet
MB Performance Stainless hardpipe kit
Samco 3”couplers and elbows
Samco 3.5” : 3” reducer
Mikalor 89-91mm clamps
Mikalor 91-95mm clamps
Amber Performance Dump Valve - red


Boost Control:
E-Boost 60 PSI twin solenoid controller


Engine Management:
Omex Technologies 710 Stand Alone Ecu
5 BAR MAP sensor
Omex crank angle sensor
Omex coolant temp sensor
Omex oil temp sensor


Ignition:
NGK leads
HKS DLI2 Twin Spark (2nd one)
New OEM Coil pack – PTU removed
NGK V Power Copper plugs – Heat range 8
Technical Tuning Zero Gauge earth kit


Fuel Delivery:
1000cc RC Injectors
Twin Walbro intank pumps
MB Performance 10an fuel lines
BMW Fuel cooler
FSE Power Boost valve FPR
KN Billet fuel filter
12mm lines from tank to filter
10mm return to tank line


Nitrous:
Nitrous Oxide Systems 150BHP Power Shot Fogger system controlled by the Omex ECU
NOS 11 Lbs Bottle
NOS Pressure Gauge
NOS Thermostatic heater blanket
Custom Pirtek braided nitrous line
MB Performance nitrous fuel lines


Propane:
IPO Propane system with low pressure warning light controlled by the Omex ECU Maplin arming toggles
9KG Orange Calor Gas bottle
Flame Pressure sensor & Gauge


Water Injection:
Aquamist MS1 system running single 0.7 Jet


Cooling:
PWR 2” Alloy radiator
Custom Stainless top rad pipe
Samco bottom rad hose
EWL Electric Water pump
Custom 3” stainless header tank
Custom flow through rad cap
Mocal Header tank silicon pipe
Samco heater matrix hoses
Mocal 16” slim line cooling fan
Mocal 14” slime line cooling fan
Amber Performance Oil cooler kit


Transmission:
Kormex 5 speed gearbox with LSD
Kormex 25 Spline Transfer Box
Mark Williams M300 Output shaft


Drive Train:
OS Giken Triple plate cerra-mettalic clutch
PST 2 piece carbon fibre prop shaft
Evil Empire prop shaft mounts


Supporting:
MB Performance billet engine mounts


Suspension:
Tein Coilovers
Tein adjustable dampers
Tein Pillowball mounts
Evil Empire Suspension bush kit
Evil Empire Subframe mount kit
Camskill droplinks


Brakes:
Rebuilt Mitsubishi callipers
Tarox 88 Groove disks front & rear
EBC Yellowstuff pads
Goodridge braided lines


Gauges:
AEM UGO Wideband gauge, Bosch sensor
SPA Electronic Fuel Pressure gauge with warning system
SPA Electronic Water Temp Gauge with warning system
SPA Electronic Oil Pressure Gauge with warning system
SPA Electronic Oil Temp Gauge with warning system
Auto Meter Pyrometer in rear bank
Apexi Boost Gauge
NOS Pressure Gauge
Greddy Oil filer sandwich plate
Amber Performance Digital Charge Temp Gauge
2 stage shift light


Engine Bay:
Evil Empire Injector Harness cover – red
Evil Empire Plenum plate – red
Amber Performance spark plug cover
Mocal Exhaust wrap - 120 Meters (dyed with food colouring)
Mocal sleeve/cable heat protectors
Mocal foil backed fireblankets
Custom Stainless Steel Heat shields
MING Candy Apple red powder coated front Cam Cover
Iver’s finest leaves from the local trees!


Interior:
Recaro Bucket seats on Recaro rails
Seatbelt race harness
Alloy gear lever
Custom short shifter
Momo Red leather Steering Wheel
800 BHP Stainless Steel door trims
Powder Fire Extinguishers X 2
Andy Luca neon/plasma dials
Nomad performance Pillar Pod
Gon4a stainless steel head unit / gauge plate
NOS, Propane arming switches & NOS bottle heater
GTech RR Performance meter with PASS software
Tom Tom 910 International GPS/SatNav


Exterior:
800 BHP Private Plate
99 Spec bumper*
Carbon Gelcoat Viper Duct bonnet*
99 Lights*
99 Indicators*
99 Rear combat wing*
99 sail panels*
Evil Empire 99 undertray and splash guard kit*
Custom Black/gold flip coachwork*
Titainum Windscreen Wipers
Technical Tuning graphics by High Street Signs


Wheels:
Hi Octane 109 finished in Hi Silver
Avon ZZ3 265/45/18 tyres


Audio System:
Panasonic single DIN touch screen head unit with 5 RCA outputs / 4 AUX inputs
Kicker 1200 RMS AMP (mono block)
Kicker 650 RMS AMP (digital 4 channel)
Kicker 250 RMS AMP (2 channel) X 2
Kicker 70 Band Pro Graphic Equalizer
Kicker 1000 AMP power caps X 4
Kicker Solar Baric 10” Square Subs X 3
Kicker SolarBaric 0 Gauge positive power cable
Kicker SolarBaric 0 Gauge negative power cable
Kicker Positive & Negative alloy battery clamps
Kicker 120 AMP circuit breaker
Kicker 140 AMP circuit breaker
Boston Acoustics Competition Pro 6.5 Mids & Tweeters
Boston Acoustics Competition Pro 6 x 9’s
Boston Acoustics Competition Pro 12” Sub in dashboard
Sony PS2 slim line system
4.5” TFT monitors X 4
HP In dash laptop
Phonoleads RCA leads x 8
Phonoleads under bonnet voltage display
Phonoleads under bonnet 120 AMP fuse holder
Custom Subwoofer enclosure
Custom boot build Custom rear side panels
Custom door panels


Removed / previously fitted:
DR650’s
Turbo Technics T35 hybrid Turbos
Forge Motorsport Alloy Actuators
MB performance custom stainless T4 headers
Pace uprated sidemount intercoolers
Samco boost pipes
Samco coolant pipes
Samco induction pipes
HKS Twin Mushroom filter
KN Monster Air filter
PTE 680cc Injectors
Evil Empire OEM engine mounts
E-Boost1 boost controller
Apexi SAFCII
Wiseco 92.5mm Pistons - destroyed!
Topline Metal head gaskets - blew
Cometic 1.5mm headgasket - blew
Cometic 2mm headgasket - blew
HKS DLI2 Twin Spark - Blew
PWR 2” Alloy Rad - blew
MB Performance FMIC twin 2” entry 3” exit
MB Performance Twin Turbo stainless hard pipe kit
Blitz Oil filter system
Nomad Dump Valve
Amber Performance Y Pipe
Denso Iridium IKR27’s - removed after 3 miles on dyno
Denso Iridium IKR23’s - removed after 20 miles on dyno
Swoosh Oil Temp Gauge
Swoosh Oil Pressure Gauge
Nomad AFR gauge
Auto Meter Carbon Water Temp Gauge
Nomad Charge Temp Gauge
EBC Turbo Groove Disks – warped in 2 weeks
EBC Redstuff pads - lasted 2 weeks
HKS Decat Pipe
HKS Downpipe
HKS Hiper Muffler
Cusco 1.2 BAR High pressure rad cap
Pioneer Head unit
Alpine Head unit
Infinity Reference 6” Mids & Tweeters
Infinity Kappa 6x9’s
Rockfordfosgate Power 400RMS 4 channel amp
Rockfordfosgate 15” Power DVC Sub
PocketLogger Monitoring software with OBD lead
Palm Tungsten T2 hand held unit
Tom Tom Bluetooth GPS/SatNav system running on Palm
Kormex Output shaft and coupler – removed now spare
Kormex Output shaft – destroyed X 3
Kormex 25 spline Transfer Box – removed now spare
Stock Gretag 5 speed gearbox – removed now spare
Flexilite Slim Line Fans in yellow – destroyed
10” Mocal Cooling Fans – removed now spare X2
LUK Clutch - slipped at 400 BHP
Clutchnet MFG 6 Puck cerra-metalic clutch with high pressure plate - Slipped at 600 LBS/FT
OS Giken Twin plate Cerra-metalic clutch - referbed kit but slipped at 500 LBS/FT


Sat waiting to be fitted:
Custom MB Performance Alloy Plenum*
Ford Lightning Super Charger
350BHP 3 stage Nitrous System
Custom 3.6L Forged internals (Crank, Rods, Pistons)
Blue printed 6G74 Block
PTS Carbon fibre Drive and Prop shafts

* denotes in progress item


I'm sure I will have forgoten some bits!

Mark
Yeah but you can't polish a turd..

Only playing with you mate ~ it sounds like an interesting day you are organising ~ Good luck to you
__________________
Luckham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2007, 04:32 PM   #60 (permalink)
dmcl1980 is wondering how I will pass my emissions test
GTROC Member
 
dmcl1980's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dublin,Ireland
Cars owned: 94 White R32 GTR
Posts: 389
[QUOTE=moosedoog;640358]right, i fel this has been overlooked here,

how the hell can you compare modified cars make for make, especially in the power department. most cars with a decent size engine are as powerful as the owner wants them to be.just depends how much money you want to throw at them.
i reckon a better comparison would be stock against stock to start with,then spend 1k on each car and compare again. then spend another 1k and compare etc etc. but even then i spose people would argue about which mods to do in what order to make each car better.

I have to agree with moosedoog here,but instead of spending 1k on each and then comparing them again,both should have to do the same upgrades ex. intake+exhaust etc then re-check.
__________________
dmcl1980 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0
© 2001-2009 Cem Kocu