Are Skyline more powerfull than GTOs? Dynoshoot out!

[bladerider]

Nice response from Matt Monet there, thanks !!

I was going from the information from his own site where it describes the build up of the car, basically it went along the lines of...

Standard........got a 12
Modded loads of bits.....got an 11
Modded loads of other bits and a touch of gas....got a 10
Totally rebuilt the bottom end ..........hey presto a 9 !!!
Thought this was cheating, returned to stock bottom end....got 11's again !!!

If its as you guys say then fair play to him, most americans describe any bottom half of the engine with ONE standard part thats usually been played with alot (typically the crank) a "stock bottom end" despite forged rods, better studs and god knows what else - the supra community is best for this !!!

I would have been more than happy to put my old skyline on the dyno, it did exactly what it was built for with regards to performance. I would be happy to put the GT3 on the rollers too, just to confirm what it is pushing out, but its normally aspirated so isnt really a comparison, but it does have titanium rods as standard !!!!

I think that a few people are misguided. If Sidious thinks that most skyline owners are not interested in performance, its only the "new boy racers" who are interested in tuning them and dragging/racing/tracking them then it shows that perhaps he has a short memory or hasnt been around very long. Members of this register or its previous incarnation were taking brand new skylines to the tuners and dynos way before most the people here nowadays could afford them. They are cheapish cars to buy now granted for some models, but to tune them to the larger power levels still takes a few more quid than your average Joe wants to throw at a car.

The only "proof" I can give Mr Nemesis (whose spec list I think is excellent, but then I have followed his car for a long time, back before GTOUK became an inwards facing secular bunch of self pleasurers ) that the 6G72 is a relatively "weak" engine compared to the RB26 is simply that if they were that good you would see them in the same leagues for power, performance, and tuning that Supras, RX7's and Skylines are all in. I cant remember the last time someone linked to an Option Video of the latest Wangan run with a "Mighty GTO" sweeping aside all the pesky Supe's and 'Liners (sorry Dino ). I know some of this is down to the car weighing the same as an unbodied HGV, but I would have thought there would still be quite a market for it if it were feasible, and there doesnt seem to be one - so I guess its a few very loyal owners such as yourself who want to battle with physics, while the rest of us start from a better beginning !!!

You might also want to remind yourself of your forbear - Dave Whatever his name was - with the Hulk, a GTO that was to eclipse all others, and certainly had the money spent on it. I believe he gave up in the end, must have been a reason for it !!

I would also point out that I wasnt being nasty to GTO owners at all, and still dont feel I have been, this thread I thought was all good natured banter right up to this page

J.

[Nicolas Kiesa]

GTO Neme..

This is the underside in stock form:
http://www.kismo.dk/Kismo%20pics/sta...001%20(33).jpg

Then Ive welded this "tube"
http://www.kismo.dk/Kismo%20pics/sta...001%20(36).jpg

onto it as the new Trust sump extension is lower.The new tube is sorrounding the oil pick up and is adding a little bafle funktion as well.

As you can see the "tube" is surrounding all the way to the bottom os the sump.
http://www.kismo.dk/Kismo%20pics/sta...001%20(37).jpg.

Yes I think you would need those ekstra cc, I can hear there is a fair amount of lag with the GT42.

I can boost 0,9 bar with my T88 at 4000 rpm, thats with "at the limit" degrees of ignition.

Nicolas K

PS the car is in Denmark now, but in Swiss next week.Im all over the place these days.

[GTO NEMESIS]

Nicholas big thank you for the sump pictures! That was pretty much what I was going to do to my new sump but I was going with a lot longer wholes in the side.

I think I will now do the whole like yours as it obvioulsy seems to work!

As for the GT42 mine is an RS, it is the DDB version that was teaked for truck racing. (As in HGV's that have a 8 Litre lump with TWO GT42RS!)

It spools quite early considering the size of it, that said if you blow in it it spins up! It is very well made.

To give you an idea of how well it spins here is a video I did to show how long it takes to stop spinning even from tick over.
http://www.technicaltuning.com/gtone...ool%20down.mov (Right click save as)

Spool up is pretty dam impressive on this spec'd 42.

Mark

[GTO NEMESIS]

Bladerider,
Yes I do remember you from GTOUK.

Dave Mcarthy (DMC) was the owner of the Hulk, Dave's magazine feature is what made me finaly go down the GTO route.

Dave's car should have done so well but looking at it now it was so flawed due to the choice of parts ect, T25 turbos to start with, they are tiny.

Dave spent about £70,000 on that car but he was ripped off all the way as he never did any of the work himself. The more parts Henstead Motorsports bolted on the slower the car got.

Bring your GT3 along to the dyno day, Chris will run it at the end for you at least that way you can be there for all the fun.

Mark

[bladerider]

No worries Mark,

I had to laugh at the bit where I said this was all friendly up until this page..........



.........on a new page that I ended up having the first post on !!!



I will be happy to bring the GT3 with me - or maybe even the drift car for a laugh.

J.

[Steve]

Yup. track day and driver experience are best as RR's are a bit like who's got the biggest D*ck

[GTO NEMESIS]

Originally Posted by Steve

Yup. track day and driver experience are best as RR's are a bit like who's got the biggest D*ck

Get a life.
Are you saying that no one should go to a RR day?

Good to see yet another person who has an opinion won't put his car on the rollers for a shoot out.
Have you got a dictionary? Please look up the word FUN.

If you want a track shoot out then why don't you organise one, there are enough people to enter one. Or are you just posting your opinion and wouldn't run on the track either?

[bladerider]

Whoa !!!

Easy there Tiger !!!

Steve's done more than enough damage on track to qualify for "Man who needs not prove anything" status !!!



That being said I once heard JasonO call him a pussy !!!

[GTO NEMESIS]

Originally Posted by bladerider

Whoa !!!

Easy there Tiger !!!

Steve's done more than enough damage on track to qualify for "Man who needs not prove anything" status !!!



That being said I once heard JasonO call him a pussy !!!

Yeah sorry!
It was a bit harsh. I just don't see why people try to knock other peoples efforts - A day meeting other people and shaing our cars and seeing them make some numbers is more interesting than meeting up in a pub car park and talking crap all afternoon.

Mark

[bladerider]

I'll have you know I talk a pretty mean line in crap !!!

Cue....Tony, Mark, Paul, Jason or some others all coming on to confirm this !!!

[stuartstaples]

Well James, you did walk into that.............

What about the Zesty GTO? I'm sure that came fifth in the open four wheel drive class at Tsukuba?

[GTO NEMESIS]

20 days to go!
Is every one still attending that put their name down?

[andy42uk]

I worked on a GTO the other day usual thing, modded the speedo-head ditched the useless k/mh-m/ph converter, and a few other electrical things....
I had to test drive it, it was in good order 'L' reg, replacement suspension, quiet fit engine with just a dump valve and boost gauge, it was quite quick....
1st syncro totally gone, felt sooooooooooooooooo heeeeeeaaaaaavy, brakes week, steering heavy, handled ok-ish but hard work....
Without hesitation or deviation I can say hand on heart my 4 door GTS-T sedan (heavily modded- but on a budget) is quicker everywhere, alive with feedback and response, and would run rings round that GTO.
They look like a 'proper' supercar but are just show and no go....IMHO of course...
When I took the owner out in my car he felt a bit silly, auto-box lighting 285 bridgestones on hot tarmac as we drop into 2nd....cornering so hard you 'feel' the hicas pull it straight, and scrubbing off 100mph in no distance while changing lanes and still cornering at 60.....
Without labour I have spent about 5.5k now on my car INCLUDING the car, and that includes the stuff 'not on line yet' yes I know 1 end of a spanner from the other, and I have put about 300 hours into fettling everything, but at the end of the day GTO's look nice, but are eclipsed buy the SKYLINE.

Not a drag whore or a track-day addict, just better from every angle.
Andy.

[GTRJack]

This car is in for the compete, watch out GTRs

LINK: Video - 3sx 3000gt vr4 puts down 902 AWHP @37psi.no NOS stock cranck shaft. no supra or skyline

[Mikeyb10surpa]

Any Supra owners allowed at this event