Production cars with the highest output per liter/cylinder - N/A & forced induction!! - GT-R Register - Official Nissan Skyline and GTR Owners Club forum

gtrlux · 2nd September 2007, 02:15 PM

Please contribute to the thread in a professional manner . . . some simple rules . .:

1) Don't post crap, like my Ibiza has what ever . .it's simply crap!

2) copy the list of the people that have posted before you. Please fill out the list like I did in my first post.(maker/car/engine/power/engine code/extras).
3) Please ad classify your entries under the categories of the previous posters. Like grouping all engines together that have the same class of engines, . .like I did . .

Let's see if we can get all the existing cars in a list.

my entires:

Nissan Puslar N15 VZ-RN1 . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 200HP . . . SR16VE-N1
Honda Civic EK9 Type-R . . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 190HP . . . B16B
Honda S2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 250HP . . . F20C
BMW M3 E46 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3.2 S6cyl.N/A . .343HP . . . S54B32

AndrewD · 3rd September 2007, 07:10 AM

geez if your going to get pedantic, why have you not given the bhp per litre as your subject title suggests?

and considering how you want everything normalised, how are you going to compare those power measurements at the wheel with those of at the crank or even output shaft??

In any case i would be looking at motorcycle engines for those of greatest bhp / ltr of swept volume, or are you including squish volume too??

R33_GTS-t · 3rd September 2007, 07:19 AM

I'd be looking at rotary, 2-stroke or gas turbine engines.

Did I tell you my Ibiza has a gas turbine engine?

pitbull · 3rd September 2007, 08:01 AM

isn't a puslar n5 a race car?

gtrlux · 3rd September 2007, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitbull

isn't a puslar n5 a race car?

nope:
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. . . my point is to just post all cars that have in their engine category the highest or one of the highest outputs. Like the Pulsar N1 has the worlds most powerfull 1.6liter 4 stroke N/A engine, even if it is in its car class nowhere the fastest.
I will ad one more to the list as you guys don't seem to understand how it works . .

By the way if we have a big list , well researched , we can refer to it in further threads and debates, . .

Nissan Puslar N15 VZ-RN1 . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 200HP . . . SR16VE-N1
Honda Civic EK9 Type-R . . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 190HP . . . B16B
Honda S2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 250HP . . . F20C
BMW M3 E46 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3.2 S6cyl.N/A . .343HP . . . S54B32
Honda NSX . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3.0 V6 N/A . . . . 270HP . . .C30A

Bibbs · 3rd September 2007, 09:12 AM

Honda S2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 250PS . . . F20C
Honda Civic EK9 Type-R . . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 184PS . . . B16B

the S2000 is only in JDM spec, the Euro an USDM oes were 240PS

Caparo T1 . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 8cyl.N/A . . 480BHP . . .
Toyota Altezza RS200 . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 210PS . . .

Loads here ..
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NIGHTRIDER · 3rd September 2007, 11:39 AM

N/A

The Honda V-tec units are about as good as you will get for reliable bhp per litre without resorting to forced induction or motorsport technology.

The SR16VE-N1 made by Nissan was a limited Autech-tuned unit with only 500 ever made for production – there have been cases where this engine was making slightly over the 200bhp mark.

All-in-all, 125bhp/litre is about the best you will get from current naturally aspirated production engines in car form.

There are production bike engines pushing the boundaries to 150bhp/litre. The engines used in the Hayabusa and ZX14 are known to produce around 200bhp using 1400cc.

Forced Induction

Mitsubishi EVO FQ-400..........2.0 4cyl..........405HP..........4G63..........[202bhp/litre]

To put this into perspective:

RUF RT12 ..........3.7 6cyl..........641HP..........[173bhp/litre]
Koenigsegg CCX..........4.7 8cyl..........806HP ..........[171bhp/litre]
Bugatti Veyron..........8.0 16cyl..........c1000HP..........[125bhp/litre]

maximum6 · 26th January 2008, 09:03 AM

Rotary Engines
Honda
BMW
Porsche

All push their displacements very well for N/A. The Best I've seen.

R33_GTS-t · 26th January 2008, 04:31 PM

Turbo
Buggatti EB110 SS - 3.5 V12, 620bhp, 177bhp/L.
Koenig Evolution - 5.0 flat-12, 1000bhp, 200bhp/L
Lotec Sirius - 6.0 V12, 1334bhp, 222bhp/L
Suzuki Radical SR3 Turbo - 1.3 I4, 320bhp, 245bhp/L

NA
Jimenez Novia - 4.1 W16, 560bhp, 137bhp/L
Caparo T1 - 3.5 V8, 550bhp, 157bhp/L

Cris · 28th January 2008, 09:07 PM

Caterham CSR260 - 2.3 I4, 260bhp, 113bhp/l
Radical SR8 - 2.6 v8, 363bhp, 130bhp/l
Westfield XTR2 - 1.3 i4, 180ps, 138ps/l
*Mazda RX8 - 1.3 2r, 231bhp, 178bhp/l

Turbo

Maser Ghibli Cup - 2.0 v6, 330bhp, 165bhp/l
Nissan Skyline R34 Z-Tune - 2.8 i6, 500bhp, 179bhp/l
Porsche 959 - 2.85 f6, 444bhp, 156bhp/l
**9ff 911 - 4.0 f6, 920bhp, 460bhp/l
Dauer 962 - 3.0 f6, 730bhp, 243bhp/l

* Dodgy
** Not sure if this counts

kornmonkey · 29th January 2008, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris

**9ff 911 - 4.0 f6, 920bhp, 460bhp/l

** Not sure if this counts

920/4 = 230bhp/l - which sounds more like it

WickedOne513 · 29th January 2008, 01:31 AM

great numbers...

does anyone have a compairison of these to say the ls vtec?

Cris · 29th January 2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kornmonkey

920/4 = 230bhp/l - which sounds more like it

Well done you spotted the deliberate mistake - I can't divide by 4......

R32 Combat · 29th January 2008, 06:34 PM

Turbo

BMW M13 1.5l 4cyl 1200hp 800hp/l

rasonline · 31st January 2008, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R32 Combat

Turbo

BMW M13 1.5l 4cyl 1200hp 800hp/l

that was an F1 engine from the 80s which ran on some funny type of fuel..

2nd September 2007, 02:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
gtrlux Registered user Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: with mom or in the garden Posts: 5,068	Production cars with the highest output per liter/cylinder - N/A & forced induction!! Please contribute to the thread in a professional manner . . . some simple rules . .: 1) Don't post crap, like my Ibiza has what ever . .it's simply crap! 2) copy the list of the people that have posted before you. Please fill out the list like I did in my first post.(maker/car/engine/power/engine code/extras). 3) Please ad classify your entries under the categories of the previous posters. Like grouping all engines together that have the same class of engines, . .like I did . . Let's see if we can get all the existing cars in a list. my entires: Nissan Puslar N15 VZ-RN1 . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 200HP . . . SR16VE-N1 Honda Civic EK9 Type-R . . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 190HP . . . B16B Honda S2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 250HP . . . F20C BMW M3 E46 . . . . . . . . . . . . .3.2 S6cyl.N/A . .343HP . . . S54B32

3rd September 2007, 07:19 AM	#3 (permalink)
R33_GTS-t GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: [544] days from disposing of Labour. BNFL are shit. One repossession, one (bank) window. Posts: 8,135	I'd be looking at rotary, 2-stroke or gas turbine engines. Did I tell you my Ibiza has a gas turbine engine? Last edited by R33_GTS-t; 3rd September 2007 at 07:30 AM.

3rd September 2007, 09:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bibbs GTR Register Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 23	Honda S2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 250PS . . . F20C Honda Civic EK9 Type-R . . . . . 1.6 4cyl.N/A . . 184PS . . . B16B the S2000 is only in JDM spec, the Euro an USDM oes were 240PS Caparo T1 . . . . . . . . . . . 3.5 8cyl.N/A . . 480BHP . . . Toyota Altezza RS200 . . . 2.0 4cyl.N/A . . 210PS . . . Loads here .. List of automotive superlatives - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Last edited by Bibbs; 3rd September 2007 at 09:18 AM.

28th January 2008, 09:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cris GTROC Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: South London Posts: 492	Caterham CSR260 - 2.3 I4, 260bhp, 113bhp/l Radical SR8 - 2.6 v8, 363bhp, 130bhp/l Westfield XTR2 - 1.3 i4, 180ps, 138ps/l Mazda RX8 - 1.3 2r, 231bhp, 178bhp/l Turbo Maser Ghibli Cup - 2.0 v6, 330bhp, 165bhp/l Nissan Skyline R34 Z-Tune - 2.8 i6, 500bhp, 179bhp/l Porsche 959 - 2.85 f6, 444bhp, 156bhp/l 9ff 911 - 4.0 f6, 920bhp, 460bhp/l Dauer 962 - 3.0 f6, 730bhp, 243bhp/l Dodgy ** Not sure if this counts Last edited by Cris; 28th January 2008 at 09:11 PM.

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3rd September 2007, 07:10 AM	#2 (permalink)
AndrewD GTR Register Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 42	geez if your going to get pedantic, why have you not given the bhp per litre as your subject title suggests? and considering how you want everything normalised, how are you going to compare those power measurements at the wheel with those of at the crank or even output shaft?? In any case i would be looking at motorcycle engines for those of greatest bhp / ltr of swept volume, or are you including squish volume too??

3rd September 2007, 08:01 AM	#4 (permalink)
pitbull GTR Register Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 932	isn't a puslar n5 a race car?

3rd September 2007, 11:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
NIGHTRIDER GTR Register Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 35	N/A The Honda V-tec units are about as good as you will get for reliable bhp per litre without resorting to forced induction or motorsport technology. The SR16VE-N1 made by Nissan was a limited Autech-tuned unit with only 500 ever made for production – there have been cases where this engine was making slightly over the 200bhp mark. All-in-all, 125bhp/litre is about the best you will get from current naturally aspirated production engines in car form. There are production bike engines pushing the boundaries to 150bhp/litre. The engines used in the Hayabusa and ZX14 are known to produce around 200bhp using 1400cc. Forced Induction Mitsubishi EVO FQ-400..........2.0 4cyl..........405HP..........4G63..........[202bhp/litre] To put this into perspective: RUF RT12 ..........3.7 6cyl..........641HP..........[173bhp/litre] Koenigsegg CCX..........4.7 8cyl..........806HP ..........[171bhp/litre] Bugatti Veyron..........8.0 16cyl..........c1000HP..........[125bhp/litre]

26th January 2008, 09:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
maximum6 GTR Register Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 176	Rotary Engines Honda BMW Porsche All push their displacements very well for N/A. The Best I've seen.

26th January 2008, 04:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
R33_GTS-t GTR Register Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: [544] days from disposing of Labour. BNFL are shit. One repossession, one (bank) window. Posts: 8,135	Turbo Buggatti EB110 SS - 3.5 V12, 620bhp, 177bhp/L. Koenig Evolution - 5.0 flat-12, 1000bhp, 200bhp/L Lotec Sirius - 6.0 V12, 1334bhp, 222bhp/L Suzuki Radical SR3 Turbo - 1.3 I4, 320bhp, 245bhp/L NA Jimenez Novia - 4.1 W16, 560bhp, 137bhp/L Caparo T1 - 3.5 V8, 550bhp, 157bhp/L

29th January 2008, 01:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
WickedOne513 GTROC Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 172	great numbers... does anyone have a compairison of these to say the ls vtec?

29th January 2008, 06:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
R32 Combat New Users Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Berkshire Posts: 4,342	Turbo BMW M13 1.5l 4cyl 1200hp 800hp/l