NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[bazooqa]

If thats true the Impier of the kings will be making its true come back!

[Blow Dog]

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the car has performed countless beauty parades on the ring but, unlike every other manufacturer, there has not been any confirmed times to cement the rumour mill?

[Philip]

Not really.

Phil

[tekknikal]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the car has performed countless beauty parades on the ring but, unlike every other manufacturer, there has not been any confirmed times to cement the rumour mill?

nissan is timing it but they're not ready to release times yet. so, even if they did turn it over to someone else to independently test, that other party wouldn't be allowed to discuss it.

as far as others timing it goes, sure people have stopwatches.. that's where we got word of a 7'38 time from.

[Shin]

I've "heard" that Lexus LF-A timed 7'20ish...

[Redlineash]

Now that sounds very quick for a car that, last time I "heard", didnt weigh much less than a GTR, with about the same BHP.

I know nothing about 'Ring lap times but that seems a touch optimistic unless its got some technological ace-card up its sleeve.

Perhaps it did a 7:20 with the Toyota F1 engine in it...

As an aside does anyone know what a Nismo R34 Z-Tune laps the 'Ring in? Im guessing that the new GTR wont be able to match a Z-Tune straight out of the box given the huge efforts that Nismo went to on that car?

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the car has performed countless beauty parades on the ring but, unlike every other manufacturer, there has not been any confirmed times to cement the rumour mill?

I dont think it's strange at all. For one we are dealing with the Japanese who operate differently than most folks when it comes to this stuff, secondly if they are still tweaking on the car why would they release it before it's a solid fact based lap and third...where would all the suspense be for it's world debut?

See ya

[MeLLoN Stu]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the car has performed countless beauty parades on the ring but, unlike every other manufacturer, there has not been any confirmed times to cement the rumour mill?

Very, which is while I'll remain sceptical until someone times a proper lap with a standard production car.

[Guy]

There's only one time that counts and thats when Sport Auto magazine finally test the car themselves with Horst Von Saurna driving, other than that the other times from press/websites/manufacturers etc are all just 'interesting, but not fact'.

None of the R32-R34 was ever tested by SportAuto, who are the definitive testers on the ring ie same track length/same driver for every test they've ever done.

[bonzelite]

Edmunds, an independent source, timed it at 7:38. That already supercedes the 997 by 2 seconds. 2 seconds is acres of time on a Nurburgring time attack trial. Those are hard-won seconds. Yet the skepticism is as robust as ever.

Had this been reversed, with a new model of Porsche beating it's own record by 2 seconds, this would have been loudly heralded in a fanfare as a fantastic celebration and confirmation of supremacy.

To then take an elevator up to the Carrera GT-level of GT-R time attack (which was most likely the engineering goal the whole time and not just something Nissan "just decided to do at the last minute") is then questioned and made to be something to have contempt for.

The rationale of skeptics must be that:

1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking

[mifn21]

It doesn't matter what they timed it at, the only credible lap time will be when a standard dealer-supplied etc car goes round there

As Guy said, when Sport Auto test it, then we'll know for sure

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

Edmunds, an independent source, timed it at 7:38. That already supercedes the 997 by 2 seconds. 2 seconds is acres of time on a Nurburgring time attack trial. Those are hard-won seconds. Yet the skepticism is as robust as ever.

Had this been reversed, with a new model of Porsche beating it's own record by 2 seconds, this would have been loudly heralded in a fanfare as a fantastic celebration and confirmation of supremacy.

To then take an elevator up to the Carrera GT-level of GT-R time attack (which was most likely the engineering goal the whole time and not just something Nissan "just decided to do at the last minute") is then questioned and made to be something to have contempt for.

The rationale of skeptics must be that:

1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking

LOL I kinda like what you said here

[JapFreak786]

when were the lap times of the pre-production R32,R33 and R34's released,before or after release?

[Zakira]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

Edmunds, an independent source, timed it at 7:38. That already supercedes the 997 by 2 seconds. 2 seconds is acres of time on a Nurburgring time attack trial. Those are hard-won seconds. Yet the skepticism is as robust as ever.

Had this been reversed, with a new model of Porsche beating it's own record by 2 seconds, this would have been loudly heralded in a fanfare as a fantastic celebration and confirmation of supremacy.

To then take an elevator up to the Carrera GT-level of GT-R time attack (which was most likely the engineering goal the whole time and not just something Nissan "just decided to do at the last minute") is then questioned and made to be something to have contempt for.

The rationale of skeptics must be that:

1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking

Hey Bonz, don't forget the other "favorite" excuse:

5) Nurburgring lap time doesn't "matter"


Sorry guys, this is like an inside joke from nagtroc. Sorry.

[MeLLoN Stu]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

The rationale of skeptics must be that:

Either that or rather than appear as die hard fans of something they've barely seen, who believe it'll be the fastest car on the planet, we're just happy to sit on the fence until a post-release road model is able to produce a time like that?

Until then I'm very much looking forward to seeing it and potentially owning one but I just don't see the point of all this speculative hype until it's in a production car, post release.