NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by MeLLoN Stu

Either that or rather than appear as die hard fans of something they've barely seen, who believe it'll be the fastest car on the planet, we're just happy to sit on the fence until a post-release road model is able to produce a time like that?

Until then I'm very much looking forward to seeing it and potentially owning one but I just don't see the point of all this speculative hype until it's in a production car, post release.

The cool and collected veneer of sophistication of sitting back and having the "it's no biggie, we are chill and aloof" schtick is exactly the dismissing and marginalizing tonality of the crowd who --when at long last, after the "real" times and the "real production" cars are assessed-- will STILL deny and remain cold and prickly and "too cool", with their flesh as warm as a corpse, as contrarian as a nagging mother-in-law.

And the Nurburgring times matter a great deal when the hi-brow elitists discuss Ferraris and Porsches --but wait-- these times suddenly "don't really matter much" when discussing a GT-R!

Isn't that peculiar?

[GTRJack]

Nurburgring time is VERY important. Nurburging is a naturel track close with similarity to a normal road we drive everyday (at least me in Norway). How well a road car do at the Nurgburgring is the ultimate proof of how well that car is built as a high end performer. Those who say that Nurburgring time is not important or doesn't matter for a production high end performance road car is a ****ing idiot, sorry for the straightness!

[skyline69_uk]

I'm sure most have seen the new website and some other articles here

Nissan GT-R Official Global Site

Nissan GT-R Japanese pricing announced; 'Ring runs continue | Car News Blog at Motor Trend

More Details, New Images of 2009 Nissan GT-R

[Blow Dog]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

The cool and collected veneer of sophistication of sitting back and having the "it's no biggie, we are chill and aloof" schtick is exactly the dismissing and marginalizing tonality of the crowd who --when at long last, after the "real" times and the "real production" cars are assessed-- will STILL deny and remain cold and prickly and "too cool", with their flesh as warm as a corpse, as contrarian as a nagging mother-in-law.

And the Nurburgring times matter a great deal when the hi-brow elitists discuss Ferraris and Porsches --but wait-- these times suddenly "don't really matter much" when discussing a GT-R!

Isn't that peculiar?

Without turning this into a match of wits, do you not find it peculiar to be championing a car you know nothing about?

There's no questioning the loyalty of those on this site, most are current or previous owners of GTR's. The huge difference you seem so keen to dismiss is that when owners of Ferrari's or Porsches discuss Nurburgring times, it's normally as a result of a publicly announced figure that can be classed as official! Not some speculative figures bandied about on internet forums accompanied by the odd photo of a stopwatch on tarmac of a racetrack!

I digress, there may come a time where the figures are realised, but until then we can ONLY treat them with speculation and limited cynicism. Nissan are known for the massive hype machine that they are and the absurd fact that the car is still being tested on the ring with the ridiculous car bra is tantamount to the fact that Nissan are kings of titilation and they enjoy the fact that we, as proud supporters and loyal subjects, are keen to discuss and aid the hype machine in the name of marketing excellence.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Without turning this into a match of wits, do you not find it peculiar to be championing a car you know nothing about?

There's no questioning the loyalty of those on this site, most are current or previous owners of GTR's. The huge difference you seem so keen to dismiss is that when owners of Ferrari's or Porsches discuss Nurburgring times, it's normally as a result of a publicly announced figure that can be classed as official! Not some speculative figures bandied about on internet forums accompanied by the odd photo of a stopwatch on tarmac of a racetrack!

I digress, there may come a time where the figures are realised, but until then we can ONLY treat them with speculation and limited cynicism. Nissan are known for the massive hype machine that they are and the absurd fact that the car is still being tested on the ring with the ridiculous car bra is tantamount to the fact that Nissan are kings of titilation and they enjoy the fact that we, as proud supporters and loyal subjects, are keen to discuss and aid the hype machine in the name of marketing excellence.

Look, darling, the subsequent times that will be given will as well be dismissed, discredited, and otherwise undermined. That is part of the whole point!

Here is a recap of the philosophy among us:

1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) Every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) Special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking

[GTRJack]

I kind of a little bit agree with bonzelite that some here is being a bit unnecessary pessimistic but let me say that being too optimistic is not good either.

Speculation is speculation but we have to try to stay realistic and logical, how can we do that? Well as we've known for months that the new GTR is targeting the new 911 Turbo. We've seen video examples of the new GTR seemly being sharper and a bit quicker then the 911 Turbo in the performance. NOW that we know the fact that the new 911 Turbo does 7:40 at the Nurgburgring. Tell me then from a logical view point, "why the fowk does 7:38 seems so unbelievable for some?" Speculation? Yeah in some degree for sure but for some it's easy to use "the word speculation" as an cover for being negative, pessimistic and a hypocrite.

My opinion try to stay logical, realistic and look beyond your bias for once, this is too all that argues on this thread.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

I kind of a little bit agree with bonzelite that some here is being a bit unnecessary pessimistic but let me say that being too optimistic is not good either.

Speculation is speculation but we have to try to stay realistic and logical, how can we do that? Well as we've known for months that the new GTR is targeting the new 911 Turbo. We've seen video examples of the new GTR seemly being sharper and a bit quicker then the 911 Turbo in the performance. NOW that we know the fact that the new 911 Turbo does 7:40 at the Nurgburgring. Tell me then from a logical view point, "why the fowk does 7:38 seems so unbelievable for some?" Speculation? Yeah in some degree for sure but for some it's easy to use "the word speculation" as an cover for being negative, pessimistic and a hypocrite.

My opinion try to stay logical, realistic and look beyond your bias for once, this is too all that argues on this thread.

Yes, indeed, Jack, you have a voice of reason. And I will tell you EXACTLY why "2 seconds" seems so "unbelievable" -----> German sports car bias. Simple as that.

The 2 seconds better, had it been reversed in favor of Porsche (as stated earlier), would have been met with cigars, wine, women, and song in the exclusive inner sanctum of the Posche-phile congnoscenti circle, drunk with arrogant sophistication at the country-club.

This is why "2 seconds," despite how actually noteworthy this time is for the Nurburgring, is being denied.

Wait until the GT-R nears or exceeds the Carrera GT ---this is when the mocking and jeering will worsen and become highly exaggerated in the press and popular culture circles of motorsport. The ruthless aloofness and dismissals of naysayers has barely begun!

[GTRJack]

My thought is that I just don't understand the sceptism from some. This is a GTR site and I think that people should be open minded and enthusiatic about this car- a little bit of speculation doesn't hurt. We should be happy for what Nissan is trying to make.

In terms of bank for buck performance I have no doubt that this car would do good but saying it will beat the Carrera GT is way over the line of being optimistic; close or not, we shall see.

[andreasgtr]

Well spoken Mr Blowdog exactly what I'm thinking at the moment.

[King Nismo]

If the Nissan GT-R really is that close to matching the Carrera GT time on the Nurburgring what is the point of even thinking about buying it
I wonder what is going to happen in the tuning world for the car. That is where my focus is not being stock but being modified. Sooner or later it will get to the point of being heavily modified like the old ones best believe that. I seriously can't see top companies like HKS, Tomei etc not making parts for the car. But as everything else....time will tell all.

[King Nismo]

That means if it was 4 seconds off the Carrera GT time then that means it can almost BEAT a Pagani Zonda F!

[AndrewD]

Why would you want to modify the car further anyway? What do you think you could do better than a team of professionals?

[kismetcapitan]

the main problem is hacking into the goddam computers these days. Someone would have to create a standalone ECU that could handle all the OBD-II crap, the fly-by-wire everything, the transmission shifting, as well as fueling, ignition, and boost maps. We're talking a whole nother realm of complex beyond a simple 16bit Power FC. Parts is easy. Engine parts haven't changed much in ages. Its the computer control that's the problem. Getting everything to work together is hard enough on an ancient straight six design like the RB, where a tuner controls an honestly small amount by software (injectors, ignition, and boost solenoid, maybe a couple electric fans). New-wave tuning won't just be mapping, they'll have to sync computer-controlled compenents together. I'm sure it can be done. Just not by me

[King Nismo]

I guess...But regardless if it is "perfect" in most peoples eyes it is a heavy car. It isn't the fastest thing on the streets and it won't take much power for the old GT-Rs to beat it plain and simple. What is the point of having a bigger more powerful engine and you can't use it. Everyone knows 480ps won't be enough to last forever. I am sure someone will come out with aftermarket support for the car if it is basic to the most extreme and wild. It may be 6 months from release date to 4 years from now but it will happen.

[GTRJack]

I guess it looks to be like tuners have to start to hire computer geek squad