NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[King Nismo]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

I guess it looks to be like tuners have to start to hire computer geek squad

It will have to be that way. Think about it....a stock GT-R besides upgraded wheels? driving around a stock GT-R for the next 5 years or whenever the next GT-R comes out and that car won't even be able to be tuned at all because it is even more technologically advance is rediculous. I just can't wait to see the car. I want to know how that thing sounds! Japan is going to go crazy for it. A geez and to think it will be open to the world Well there goes the TRUE exclusive feel

[andreasgtr]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

Well there goes the TRUE exclusive feel

Yep, now every little ****er will know about the GTR.
And imagine the 'discussions' between GTR- owners and the real "Nissan Skyline" owners

"ahh hi mate, I see you're still driving 'round with the old thing?!"
...

[King Nismo]

Exactly...The entire first reason that turned me on to skylines was that it was never sold world wide...now this hunk of sh!t will be in the coming months...ha! I can see it already in the USA. Rich bastards with NO knowledge of its history at all will buy it...think they are they sh!t and a bag a chips. So if it can't be modified that makes it better for me to blow them away at a traffic light. All well ends well and I can sleep at night

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

If the Nissan GT-R really is that close to matching the Carrera GT time on the Nurburgring what is the point of even thinking about buying it

WTF?! Who in phek instilled this into you? "If it's close to the CGT time, what is the point of buying it." That's about the dumbest and most reversed-psychological naysaying I've ever heard yet!!

I wonder what is going to happen in the tuning world for the car. That is where my focus is not being stock but being modified. Sooner or later it will get to the point of being heavily modified like the old ones best believe that. I seriously can't see top companies like HKS, Tomei etc not making parts for the car. But as everything else....time will tell all.

???? And this is to the detriment of the GT-R?! wahahahahahahahahaha!!

So you do entertain the possibility of a CGT time from the GT-R, but this is used to bash the car anyway! Unreal!

So we must update the list!!

here is the latest update:


1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) Every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) Special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking
5) Is pointless to buy it because GT-R has proven to overtake the Carrera GT and modification is discouraged; renders GT-R undesirable.

[GTRJack]

^^ I think you should take it a little bit easy here buddy. I don't think he's being negative to this new GTR, he just has a different philosophy and perspective in this matter saying there's too much technology into the new cars today it makes them diffecult to high end tune them.

Please calm down buddy, this thread is fine so far as we don't want it to cook over..

[King Nismo]

bonzelite LOL. when I said whats the point of buying it I meant the CARRERA GT! Not the GT-R.

[DCD]

Let's keep this civilized gents

[King Nismo]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

^^ I think you should take it a little bit easy here buddy. I don't think he's being negative to this new GTR, he just has a different philosophy and perspective in this matter saying there's too much technology into the new cars today it makes them diffecult to high end tune them.

Please calm down buddy, this thread is fine so far as we don't want it to cook over..

Yes exactly! I am not bashing the car even though I am not the biggest fan of it. But the GT-R most go on. I should have made myself more clear on what I meant by that. I myself was thinking of a true to the bone supercar one day in the near future. But as I said...what is the point of buying it when it is close to the Carrera GTs time. $330,000+ USD for a Porsche that was almost beaten by a Nissan isn't something I would like to hear when putting out that kind of money for a car. I guess my dreams of having a real supercar one day are crushed due to this new beast. Still no godzilla but it works for me. If the aftermarket support is strong for it one day I probably will settle for it. And to think Nissan is having something come out to target the GT2 isn't something to I wouldn't love to see. But at this point in the game...if the GT-R is so close to the CGT time....I am sure the 08 GT2 can beat the Carrera GT. Until 9ff puts the 1000bhp twins on there but even then whats the point of that? You will never take it to its top speed plus the fact you won't have traction at all. The car has poor traction in my opinion already and a extra 300bhp won't help. LOL Bonzelite take no offense! I am not talking bad on the new GT-R but I still stand behind the 2nd generation GT-R's and I am sure everyone on the forums will agree with me I just can't wait to see it thats all...see if it performance matches its looks.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

Exactly...The entire first reason that turned me on to skylines was that it was never sold world wide...now this hunk of sh!t will be in the coming months...ha! I can see it already in the USA. Rich bastards with NO knowledge of its history at all will buy it...think they are they sh!t and a bag a chips. So if it can't be modified that makes it better for me to blow them away at a traffic light. All well ends well and I can sleep at night

I guess I misunderstood your sarcasm and the way you phrased buying it. To me you say "hunk of sh!t" and "what is the point of buying it" in context of the car being undesirable due to it's growing complexity and generally upped performance in terms of it being a negative, ie, the "tuning fun" is all over. It's already "tuned." So "what is the point of buying it."

Sorry that I'm totally reading this incorrectly, then!

This:

"If the Nissan GT-R really is that close to matching the Carrera GT time on the Nurburgring what is the point of even thinking about buying it" was not clear, then, as to which car is pointless to buy, as the GT-R is a "hunk of sh!t."

and this:

"I wonder what is going to happen in the tuning world for the car. That is where my focus is not being stock but being modified. Sooner or later it will get to the point of being heavily modified like the old ones best believe that" --is not pejorative?

You want to modify it or you do not want to modify it?

AndrewD then replies thusly:
"Why would you want to modify the car further anyway? What do you think you could do better than a team of professionals?" --as he, too, feels that you are talking negatively about the GT-R. Yes? or no?

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Anyway....sorry for the misunderstanding, then!

I still come off not understanding whether you like or dislike the car ; my apologies, matey!

[King Nismo]

lol no harm. It is like a good day and a bad day with this car in my opinion. So days I hate it some days I like it. I hate it because it is newer, more refined, no RB, going to be sold worldwide, Can't be tuned like the old GT-Rs. the list goes on and on. I like the car because it is newer (same reason why I hate it) Bigger engine displacement, looks somewhat better (on a good day) seems faster but for how long against a BPU R32~R34 GT-R and this list goes on and on. Like I said...the main reason why I got a GT-R was because it was a car not just anyone can go pick up when they get ready to. You have to know who, how, when, where to get it. But take no harm to my words I am a down to the bone 2nd gen GT-R purist thats all and knowing it could stomp out the old GT-R flames because it is "newer" and "fast as a bullet" pisses me off more than anything. I take it somewhat personal, I waited over 5 years to get my 34 and when I finally get it this things just tries and takes its shine so thats why I come off sometimes as a jerk when it comes to this car. I hate it and love it at the same time which is really hard to live with. I will soon see if it lives up to the old GT-Rs the feeling I got when I first saw a GT-R. If it doesn't then it doesn't but I will respect it at least. But don't be suprised if I join this forum with that thing in a few years having a Nissan GT-R lol But I bet you it won't be left hand drive either. If I were to get it I would try and beat everyone to it before it got to the US. The car looks funny and sexy and the same time...But out of everything this car has done videos of it beating the 997 turbo on the tracks, high power output, bigger engine and stronger than the old RBs people STILL love the old GT-Rs over it and I don't think that will ever change. I guess since the car isn't "Forbidden Fruit" anymore it really isn't interesting to me at all...

[Blow Dog]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

Look, darling, the subsequent times that will be given will as well be dismissed, discredited, and otherwise undermined. That is part of the whole point!

Here is a recap of the philosophy among us:

1) Nissan is a liar
2) Outside sources are a liar
3) Every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
4) Special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking

OK now you're being ridiculous and assume to know my reaction, or indeed that of others, in response to a future announcement.

You are unable to comprehend the difference between:

1) Internet user: "I heard the Nuremburg-ring times are going to beat a CGT!!! LOL INTERNET!"
2) Nissan Press Release: "Our new GTR has lapped the Nurburgring in 7.28, eclipsing the time of even that set by the CGT"

One is pure fact, the other is speculation. You cannot criticise those for erring on the side of caution and wanting to see the proof before bandying Nissan flags at the next car park meeting.

Now, to para-phrase you as you do everywhere else:
1) Nissan is a liar
Have Nissan made an official announcement about this?? I've missed it!

2) Outside sources are a liar
Who are these outside sources and what are their credentials?

3) Every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
It's fair to assume that if a lap time is to be assessed or accredited, then we need to apply constants so that comparisons can be made. Lap times at different days, by different drivers, with different contents inside the car during different weather conditions are utterly irrelevant and in the world of those who KNOW, can only be dismissed as media sensationalism.

4) Special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking
Tyres make a huge difference and I would hope any times recorded are done so with production tyres.

I want a GTR, I really do and chances are I will buy one (but I will wait for the hot version first). The latest production mules are starting to look fantastic. I'm also keen to see them in colours other than silver and without that bloody bra! But I'm not willing to be the guinea pig

My hopes are high but I'm trying to be a bit realistic

[King Nismo]

In a way I feel the same way...Since it will take a year for the Vspec to come out maybe the car can grow on me some more.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

when I finally get it this things just tries and takes its shine so thats why I come off sometimes as a jerk when it comes to this car. I hate it and love it at the same time which is really hard to live with.

Okay, I understand you much more clearly now. Please accept my apologies for coming off as a total pr!ck as well. I mean you no further injury to character.

I see the cynicisms brewing not only here but on my American home front as well. I am a bit puzzled over it but moreover downcast. It seems nothing is ever good enough for anybody even if it's good. And nobody believes anything, a crying shame.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

OK now you're being ridiculous and assume to know my reaction, or indeed that of others, in response to a future announcement.

You are unable to comprehend the difference between:

1) Internet user: "I heard the Nuremburg-ring times are going to beat a CGT!!! LOL INTERNET!"
2) Nissan Press Release: "Our new GTR has lapped the Nurburgring in 7.28, eclipsing the time of even that set by the CGT"

I have maintained these beliefs prior to release of the press briefings to such effect. I'm not on the bandwagon of internet ga-ga. Much of it has been inaccurate, not only on the internet, but in reputable motor publications.

The CGT time has not been overtaken and I'm not carrying on as if it has already been. Nissan is carrying a big stick and they intend to use it to it's fullest extent that will garner such accolades in headlines. They were never going to "barely beat" the 997tt. They were going to slaughter it and then go beyond what is thought possible.

You cannot criticise those for erring on the side of caution and wanting to see the proof before bandying Nissan flags at the next car park meeting.

Yes I understand that with full 20/20 vision. Yet where, for example, are all of the "VQ in the GTR" flag-wavers? It was NEVER going to be an engine they dropped into a Maxima or 350Z --to be put into a GTR? You've got to be kidding me. Yet nobody listened to dissenting opinions about that either, ie, the engine would be a uniquely designed proprietary unit exclusive to a supercar. But no. It was "VQ this" "VQ that" ad nauseaum. Those sheep erring on the side of caution were erring on the side of lack of foresight and vision and reality.

Now, to para-phrase you as you do everywhere else:
1) Nissan is a liar
Have Nissan made an official announcement about this?? I've missed it!

They are perpetually a liar. They lied about the Z-Tune and they lied about the 8:00 barrier broken. Now they will lie again about any other record taking at the Nurburgring. Point #1 is fully in effect. The 7:38 time is already held in contempt and as fable.

2) Outside sources are a liar
Who are these outside sources and what are their credentials?

Edmunds lies, too. They printed 7:38. That is fake.

3) Every lap time is a lie and cannot be proven no matter who has taken the time or from what source or mode of measuring
It's fair to assume that if a lap time is to be assessed or accredited, then we need to apply constants so that comparisons can be made. Lap times at different days, by different drivers, with different contents inside the car during different weather conditions are utterly irrelevant and in the world of those who KNOW, can only be dismissed as media sensationalism.

The sub-8:00 R33 is a lie, the Z-Tune's alleged 2004 trap time exceeding McLaren F1 is fake.

4) Special tires have made the lap times possible but nothing else, the car itself is lacking
Tyres make a huge difference and I would hope any times recorded are done so with production tyres.

... and if not the whole car in it's entirety of engineering and design is a lacking failure and charlatan.

I want a GTR, I really do and chances are I will buy one (but I will wait for the hot version first). The latest production mules are starting to look fantastic. I'm also keen to see them in colours other than silver and without that bloody bra! But I'm not willing to be the guinea pig

My hopes are high but I'm trying to be a bit realistic

I agree with you here and want one as well. I'm also being realistic.

By the way, you are very well-spoken and articulate. You get props, buddy

[andreasgtr]

"Quote" : "By the way, you are very well-spoken and articulate. You get props, buddy"

He is supposed to be so as he is this board's owner