NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[Blow Dog]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

I have maintained these beliefs prior to release of the press briefings to such effect. I'm not on the bandwagon of internet ga-ga. Much of it has been inaccurate, not only on the internet, but in reputable motor publications.

The CGT time has not been overtaken and I'm not carrying on as if it has already been. Nissan is carrying a big stick and they intend to use it to it's fullest extent that will garner such accolades in headlines. They were never going to "barely beat" the 997tt. They were going to slaughter it and then go beyond what is thought possible.


Yes I understand that with full 20/20 vision. Yet where, for example, are all of the "VQ in the GTR" flag-wavers? It was NEVER going to be an engine they dropped into a Maxima or 350Z --to be put into a GTR? You've got to be kidding me. Yet nobody listened to dissenting opinions about that either, ie, the engine would be a uniquely designed proprietary unit exclusive to a supercar. But no. It was "VQ this" "VQ that" ad nauseaum. Those sheep erring on the side of caution were erring on the side of lack of foresight and vision and reality.


They are perpetually a liar. They lied about the Z-Tune and they lied about the 8:00 barrier broken. Now they will lie again about any other record taking at the Nurburgring. Point #1 is fully in effect. The 7:38 time is already held in contempt and as fable.


Edmunds lies, too. They printed 7:38. That is fake.


The sub-8:00 R33 is a lie, the Z-Tune's alleged 2004 trap time exceeding McLaren F1 is fake.

... and if not the whole car in it's entirety of engineering and design is a lacking failure and charlatan.


I agree with you here and want one as well. I'm also being realistic.

By the way, you are very well-spoken and articulate. You get props, buddy

Hah. I wanna see more posts by you, they make for great reading despite my (original) reluctance to agree.
Seriously speaking though, I think I got you wrong - I understood your four points as sarcasm but you were actually being legitimate? OK, now this makes a lot more sense to me! Or have I got that completely wrong too?

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by andreasgtr

"Quote" : "By the way, you are very well-spoken and articulate. You get props, buddy"

He is supposed to be so as he is this board's owner

Then it's an honor to be in debate with him. Right to the top

Thank you for this neat-o Skyline site. I've lurked here for years and have been a member for a while.

[Philip]

Originally Posted by Guy

There's only one time that counts and thats when Sport Auto magazine finally test the car themselves with Horst Von Saurna driving, other than that the other times from press/websites/manufacturers etc are all just 'interesting, but not fact'.

Nissan already have von Saurna onboard, so at least he'll know what he's doing with it.

Phil

[Howsie]

Hyperbole

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Hah. I wanna see more posts by you, they make for great reading despite my (original) reluctance to agree.
Seriously speaking though, I think I got you wrong - I understood your four points as sarcasm but you were actually being legitimate? OK, now this makes a lot more sense to me! Or have I got that completely wrong too?

You're about on track, mate. Overall, I've seen every version of the "disputed claims" dog-and-pony show, so I figured I'd simply just make a neat laundry list of all points to summarize what is popularly believed. It is sarcasm based in truth.

It just seems to me that there are no moves to be made on the chessboard of double-standards when it comes to citing sources and basing views on these points.

You say "the GT-R will be a world-beater." Nope. That is speculation.

You then say "the GT-R just beat the 996tt's Nurburgring record." And ---> nope. That's a preliminary time and not substantiated as credible.

You say "both Nissan and Edmunds corroborate this trap time." Nope. They are exaggerating for marketing hype. Nissan is discredited by default as they are avowed liars; Edmunds used a manually-controlled stopwatch and are discredible as a 3rd-party source.

You say "Walter Rohl drove the Ring last week in the GT-R and got a 7:28 lap time --equaling the CGT. Edmunds and Nissan and Road & Track were all keeping time and corroborate this to be true." ----> Nope. Nissan affixed spray adhesive compound film to the tires, Edmunds was using a hand-held obsolete device, Walter Rohl's time is not official as he was unaware of the spray adhesive glue to the tires and he did not have his official lap-timer online as he mistakenly reset the onboard telemetry by accidentally hitting the rev limiter in the Carousel thus shorting out the readings inadvertently.

You say "the GT-R just surpassed McLaren F1 --again-- on the standing 1/4 mile." Nope. That is an unofficial time done on a press day event with stand-in drivers taking test runs that were not properly optimized for clarity of vision and accuracy of cyclical documentation. The staging cycles were haphazardly conducted by unofficial sideworkers with inproper flags and pencils.

[Blow Dog]

Well indeed, we're both singing from the same sheet then.

It's kind of ironic, really, given the historic reputation of the GTR is based purely on legend (my mate has a 1000bhp chipped one), yet here we are creating the myth and hyperbole that will no doubt construct the folklore and bard tales of the future whenever discussion of this forthcoming GTR awakens.

[psd1]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

In a way I feel the same way...Since it will take a year for the Vspec to come out maybe the car can grow on me some more.

Welcome back...oh, by the way, speaking of cars do you have pics of yours yet? Been waiting almost a year now...

[rasonline]

i've got a feeling Nissan have done this all wrong.. too much "teasing" the public and being super-secretive. Now all this speculation and rumours are going to dilute the real thing.. all this talk about thrashing a 997 and now in the Carrerra GT league. what if the car doesn't match a Carrerra GT? Then it's going to seem less impressive.. there are way too many rumours floating around on the net for goodness knows how long.. first it was the engine configuration, wheel size, naming convention blah blah blah..

bloody hell i wish Nissan would get on with it by now.

[Howsie]

In an interview with Porsche and 911 World, Walter Rohl confirms he got 7:29 out of the 997 GT2 on an industry test session, despite nearly hitting an Audi at 310kph through Tiergarten.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by rasonline

i've got a feeling Nissan have done this all wrong..

The cynicism and pessimism is very strong for a supercar that is designed to supercede all expectations and slaughter the 997.

[King Nismo]

lol man bonzelite you are all go for this new beast! By the way...what will happen to the R33? I have plenty of people in my area that will take her off your hands for the right price but knowing it is a car thats already in the US it won't run cheap either.

[bonzelite]

It's an R32 not 33. But yes she's here in California. I'm keeping it forever. It isn't even built up yet. Had to be stripped down and gutted to make it through customs. The R32 is my all-time favorite GT-R aside from perhaps the KPCG110 (1973) GT-R. They run neck and neck for my affection.

Yes, this new GT-R is going to annihilate most Nurburgring records to date for a car in it's class ---ooops! I mean --for a car that has defined it's own class!

The bare-bones rationale of superceding what they have otherwise already accomplished in the R34 GT-R has been a foregone conclusion. The cynicism and outright denial of this premise is beyond my understanding, paticularly when the writing was on the wall since the Z-Tune --and for all purposes beforehand when statements from Nissan to the effect of "...the next GT-R will be several levels above the R34 GT-R" were surfacing at the time just after the official shut down of R34 production (the reemergence of that car in 2004 notwithstanding).

Instead of avid connect-the-dots sleuthing and enthusiasm for Nissan, there is instead a widespread hostility, at the very least an aloofness, towards any notion that the GT-R will set automotive history.

Alas, the dominoes are already falling robustly and inexorably towards annihilation of Porsche 997tt as a dominant force and figure. The King has risen and returned, and it is Japanese.

[Blow Dog]

Time will tell. One thing's for sure, if Nissan do not deliver, there's going to be a lot of hat eating.

[kismetcapitan]

there is DEFINITELY a Skyline mystique, particularly in the United States, and especially around people who have never actually seen one in person. Maybe Ohio is just a backwards state, but when I was visiting my hometown and old friends, and I'd mention my car, jaws would literally drop. The average motorhead in the US has grossly inflated ideas of what a Skyline can do.

Anyways, the big tease show is certainly making it interesting. If you were marketing your company's halo product, would you do it any other way, given the Skyline's history?

[King Nismo]

I am sure Nissan will deliver. Now this is my opinion...I personally wouldn't get the car because it shares many parts like the R34 and the guys at Nissan said this. Like it or not Nissan got it right with the R32 and R34. I don't know what the R33 was I loved that one first before any of them. I just want to see the face of it. Like bonzelite said one of my personal favorite GT-Rs is the KPGC10 Hakosuka(1972) I saw a few for sale. But anyway I just hope the car can hold its own because it will need it in the times we are living in. More and more powerful cars are coming out. I say probably by 2115 or sooner they will all be 1000bhp right out of the factory.