NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by Blow Dog

Time will tell. One thing's for sure, if Nissan do not deliver, there's going to be a lot of hat eating.

haha yes, indeed. I will be on a standard diet of hats for years, then.

[MeLLoN Stu]

Originally Posted by bonzelite

The cool and collected veneer of sophistication of sitting back and having the "it's no biggie, we are chill and aloof" schtick is exactly the dismissing and marginalizing tonality of the crowd who --when at long last, after the "real" times and the "real production" cars are assessed-- will STILL deny and remain cold and prickly and "too cool", with their flesh as warm as a corpse, as contrarian as a nagging mother-in-law.

And the Nurburgring times matter a great deal when the hi-brow elitists discuss Ferraris and Porsches --but wait-- these times suddenly "don't really matter much" when discussing a GT-R!

Isn't that peculiar?

You couldn't be more inaccurate in your assumption, and I believe you have somewhat misinterpreted my feelings towards the new GTR. To predict my reaction is a little presumptuous given that prior to this subject we've had little if any discourse that I can recall.

Frankly the aforementioned recorded lap time of the nurburgring is of little interest to me at this stage due to the previously mentioned rumour mill that has emerged. The hype surround this car is becoming unbearable. Yes I have been sceptical, perhaps cynical in my replies in this and other threads, why shouldn't I be? It's not like we're swamped with cold hard facts.

For starters the original poster has a grand total of 1 post, the article linked to is riddled with speculation, no time was given, but apparantly the time was hinted at, and so far there's nothing to suggest it was anything more than a couple of folks from the press with stopwatches. Thus far there has been mention or question of whether it was BTG or a full lap, and despite it being reasonably obvious it's difference is fairly important.

I'm more than a little keen to see the new model do well. I openly admit being excited at the prospect of its imminent release and yes, if it lives up to half of my expectations I'll be buying one, if not I'm happy to keep my current GTR and purchase a stablemate from another marque, there's pleanty of options out there, and a few which I'm seriously interested in.

So as I hope you can now understand, I won't be looking to jump from the nearest bridge if it turns out to be a big disappointment, but in stark contrast I'll be more than a little excited at the prospect of owning a more potent version should the base model be as good as the build up suggests.

I'm already seriously considering one once the initial few have rolled out and have been properly evaluated, and have long been contemplating the non-speculative merits of placing a deposit even at this early stage.
So apologies again, however contrary to your somewhat poetic and metaphorically colourful assumptions I'm really rather excited about this car and relishing the prospect of it's release, however much like Cem, I'm not willing to be a guinea pig for something I know incredibly little about thus far, especially when there's the prospect of a higher spec later.

I've long been a huge aficionado of the Skyline, and more specifically GTR marque, and expect my enthusiasm will long continue, I'm just happy to remain indifferent until cold hard facts emerge. Then and only then will I make my judgement.
If this is in contrast to other people who are more excitable, so be it, I really don't care. I look at this car not only as a new model for which my pallette is already sufficiently whetted, but potentially as my new car, for which I want to know real world figures, real statistics and real performance figures, not speculative if's, but's and maybe's from people who hold little credability to my opinion.
So excited, and somewhat reserved in judgement best describes my feelings, all I know for certain at this stage is it has mighty large boots to fill if not only is it going to live up to half of the hype surrounding it, but if indeed it is to follow on the legacy of it's predecessors. I'm also more interested to see how the car will respond to tuning than I am interested in what a standard car is capable of; for me a standard car is merely a benchmark by which the effectiveness of modifications can be judged.

Here endeth the sermon, so to speak.

[King Nismo]

Originally Posted by MeLLoN Stu

You couldn't be more inaccurate in your assumption, and I believe you have somewhat misinterpreted my feelings towards the new GTR. To predict my reaction is a little presumptuous given that prior to this subject we've had little if any discourse that I can recall.

Frankly the aforementioned recorded lap time of the nurburgring is of little interest to me at this stage due to the previously mentioned rumour mill that has emerged. The hype surround this car is becoming unbearable. Yes I have been sceptical, perhaps cynical in my replies in this and other threads, why shouldn't I be? It's not like we're swamped with cold hard facts.

For starters the original poster has a grand total of 1 post, the article linked to is riddled with speculation, no time was given, but apparantly the time was hinted at, and so far there's nothing to suggest it was anything more than a couple of folks from the press with stopwatches. Thus far there has been mention or question of whether it was BTG or a full lap, and despite it being reasonably obvious it's difference is fairly important.

I'm more than a little keen to see the new model do well. I openly admit being excited at the prospect of its imminent release and yes, if it lives up to half of my expectations I'll be buying one, if not I'm happy to keep my current GTR and purchase a stablemate from another marque, there's pleanty of options out there, and a few which I'm seriously interested in.

So as I hope you can now understand, I won't be looking to jump from the nearest bridge if it turns out to be a big disappointment, but in stark contrast I'll be more than a little excited at the prospect of owning a more potent version should the base model be as good as the build up suggests.

I'm already seriously considering one once the initial few have rolled out and have been properly evaluated, and have long been contemplating the non-speculative merits of placing a deposit even at this early stage.
So apologies again, however contrary to your somewhat poetic and metaphorically colourful assumptions I'm really rather excited about this car and relishing the prospect of it's release, however much like Cem, I'm not willing to be a guinea pig for something I know incredibly little about thus far, especially when there's the prospect of a higher spec later.

I've long been a huge aficionado of the Skyline, and more specifically GTR marque, and expect my enthusiasm will long continue, I'm just happy to remain indifferent until cold hard facts emerge. Then and only then will I make my judgement.
If this is in contrast to other people who are more excitable, so be it, I really don't care. I look at this car not only as a new model for which my pallette is already sufficiently whetted, but potentially as my new car, for which I want to know real world figures, real statistics and real performance figures, not speculative if's, but's and maybe's from people who hold little credability to my opinion.
So excited, and somewhat reserved in judgement best describes my feelings, all I know for certain at this stage is it has mighty large boots to fill if not only is it going to live up to half of the hype surrounding it, but if indeed it is to follow on the legacy of it's predecessors. I'm also more interested to see how the car will respond to tuning than I am interested in what a standard car is capable of; for me a standard car is merely a benchmark by which the effectiveness of modifications can be judged.

Here endeth the sermon, so to speak.

I really couldn't agree with you more Mellon. AMEN bother!~

[kismetcapitan]

if I could ask a question here, how does the Mines R34, the "Ultimate Response Machine", or more accurately, "The Second Coming of Christ", fit in with all this?

[King Nismo]

kismetcapitan, good question...I would love to see them duke it out on a track...but I am sure I know who would win!

[Bean]

Originally Posted by kismetcapitan

if I could ask a question here, how does the Mines R34, the "Ultimate Response Machine", or more accurately, "The Second Coming of Christ", fit in with all this?

You're talking about a pitting a purpose built track car against a normal (albeit very good) production car - what do you think will happen ?
Or , to put it another way - do you think the cost to purchase an R35 GTR comes anywhere near the cost of Mines' R34 demo car ?

[stealth]

Who cares if a super car like Porsche is 2 seconds faster on the Nurbergring than the new GTR ,how many people buy a car on that info Lol!Big deal,maybe the anoracks or trainspotter types ..What about Lambo and Ferrari owners ,I should imagine they dont give a flying fuk about lap times .So the GTR will be sold world wide ,if it's a good car it's a good car simple .
All this bitching about a car no one knows nothing about ,or ever sat in let alone driven is so funny,Christ sake dont lose your rag about it .It will be nice to see it when it's here and even better in a couple of years when there are a few second hand for sale ,I should imagine this thread will look totaly daft then

[1POET]

...time to move on...this thread is getting a tad too long....and its giving me a

[Howsie]

Originally Posted by Howsie

In an interview with Porsche and 911 World, Walter Rohl confirms he got 7:29 out of the 997 GT2 on an industry test session, despite nearly hitting an Audi at 310kph through Tiergarten.

On the full circuit

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by MeLLoN Stu

there's pleanty of options out there, and a few which I'm seriously interested in.

Me, too. I like Ferrari.

So as I hope you can now understand, I won't be looking to jump from the nearest bridge if it turns out to be a big disappointment

hahaha I laughed while reading that line. that's brilliant and hilarious. yes, I will not be jumping from a building or out of a window either!

So apologies again, however contrary to your somewhat poetic and metaphorically colourful assumptions I'm really rather excited about this car and relishing the prospect of it's release

No worries. It's kind of you to even mention that I attained a level of poetic metaphor at all with my words considering the scathing bite they may intone.

however much like Cem, I'm not willing to be a guinea pig for something I know incredibly little about thus far, especially when there's the prospect of a higher spec later.

Understand, yes.

I've long been a huge aficionado of the Skyline, and more specifically GTR marque, and expect my enthusiasm will long continue, I'm just happy to remain indifferent until cold hard facts emerge. Then and only then will I make my judgement.

Sure, that is a valid choice as well. I suppose i found the aloofness disconcerting as it did not mirror my own optimism. I see more apathy or flat-lining of the expectations than the other way around on the chat forum circuit. Many people (not you) actually hate the car.

If this is in contrast to other people who are more excitable, so be it, I really don't care.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I enjoy your blatant detachment and unwavering apathy. It could be construed as even droll humor even if it was not intended as such. The stone face is funny as hell!

I look at this car not only as a new model for which my pallette is already sufficiently whetted, but potentially as my new car, for which I want to know real world figures, real statistics and real performance figures, not speculative if's, but's and maybe's from people who hold little credability to my opinion.

Sure I can see that to be of importance to someone potentially wanting to examine actual numbers and play by them. Sure. Some are very fact-savvy and inclined to empiricism. Particularly when nothing is actually known except for lots of flowery promises.

So excited, and somewhat reserved in judgement best describes my feelings, all I know for certain at this stage is it has mighty large boots to fill if not only is it going to live up to half of the hype surrounding it, but if indeed it is to follow on the legacy of it's predecessors. I'm also more interested to see how the car will respond to tuning than I am interested in what a standard car is capable of; for me a standard car is merely a benchmark by which the effectiveness of modifications can be judged.

That is perhaps the most interesting thing of this post. That is a good way of seeing it.

Here endeth the sermon, so to speak.

Indeed I enjoyed your sermon. Well said and spoken.

[King Nismo]

Yeah I have to agree with most people on this thread. Bonzelite you are a very poetic person and thats from the heart

[gtrlux]

My ad to this very long thread:
Can`t wait to own a 600HP R32GTR,　 . . . . then wait for the first encounter with the new GTR . . .








. . . . and smoke it with tenderness.
HUUUUSSS DA DADDY.......???

[the King]

Originally Posted by MeLLoN Stu

Either that or rather than appear as die hard fans of something they've barely seen, who believe it'll be the fastest car on the planet, we're just happy to sit on the fence until a post-release road model is able to produce a time like that?

Until then I'm very much looking forward to seeing it and potentially owning one but I just don't see the point of all this speculative hype until it's in a production car, post release.

The point about it is that the GT-R is indeed lapping the Ring Faster than the 997TT. What is so hard in that to believe? This being said then the GT-R is then set at a higher target because it has exceeded the expectations. Why is that so hard to believe?
I am sure most of you here at some point or another owned a GT-R. Yes the car is heavy,but does that stop it from going like stink. You all thought the R34s came with 280 hp until it was found out to be a bit more than that.
What is trhe ethos of the GT-R?
When the first Skyline passed a Porsche in the 60s, it was hoped that people whould have taken it seriously. Now almost 50 years later we still have even the so-called 'GT-R fanatics' questioning whether or not it is capable of beating a Porsche!! You all need to stop buying into this bullshit!!!

Youall saw what a FQ400 380+ bhp (3300lbs) did to a Lambo 550hp (3100 lbs). The Evo is hailed as one of the best handling cars in the world, the GT-R is that much better!! Yet you remain skeptics that the EVo is a better handling car to an M3 . Why? It is from the elite who say: "How dare Nissan or Mitsubishi try to compete with the German wundermachines?" "Preposterous!"

I call all of you skeptics out on your bullshit reasoning!! Find the facts. Follow the trail (hint) You will find the truth!!!
The car deserves every accolade.
-The second production car to lap the Ring in less than 8 mintues (the Jag been the first) The 400R WAS a production car!!
-Still up to this point the fastest production car through the quarter mile: 10.006 sec (Z tune) Yes that is a fact!!!!
-AWD World record holder (quarter mile) tuned.

Another note: Although the Evos have been dominating the Time Attack circuit, these have mostly been carbon fibre cars. Mine's GT-R and HKS has been able to keep pace while running in pretty much street packages though in highly tuned specs. Is that possible without having an exceptional blueprint to work with?
You all need to check yourselves.

[the King]

Originally Posted by MeLLoN Stu

Either that or rather than appear as die hard fans of something they've barely seen, who believe it'll be the fastest car on the planet, we're just happy to sit on the fence until a post-release road model is able to produce a time like that?

Until then I'm very much looking forward to seeing it and potentially owning one but I just don't see the point of all this speculative hype until it's in a production car, post release.

I am sure there are people here who will defend the GT-R. We need those: not blind followers who belive the GT-R is the second coming.

[Blow Dog]

Originally Posted by the King

The point about it is that the GT-R is indeed lapping the Ring Faster than the 997TT. What is so hard in that to believe? This being said then the GT-R is then set at a higher target because it has exceeded the expectations. Why is that so hard to believe?

Take your blinkers off for a second and you may see.

Nobody is doubting the ability of the GTR to perform better laptimes. Fact is, nobody has PROVEN this categorically to be the case. As a result, we wait like patience adults until such time where we can bloody well quash this speculation!
Don't go championing a result that hasn't been authenticated!

Finally, the reason the Evo beat the Murcielago was because it weighs a fraction of itself - a small detail you omitted for the purpose of your own argument.