NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[the King]

Who gave you that info? The Evo is NOT lighter than the Lambo. I dont where you got that. Anyway I am highlighting the fact that the Porsche's time of 7:40 is an unofficial time yet it IS taken to be GOSPEL by the PUBLIC> The Porsche's UNOFFICIAL TIME is accepeted yet the Nissan's isn't ?
Now that is elitism if you ask me. I am tired of that crap.
NEXT!!!

[ru']

Originally Posted by the King

...The Evo is NOT lighter than the Lambo....

According to Evo (just happen to have a copy nearby) FQ340 = 1,400kg, Murcielago = 1,650kg.

[madadd]

Originally Posted by the King

The point about it is that the GT-R is indeed lapping the Ring Faster than the 997TT. What is so hard in that to believe? This being said then the GT-R is then set at a higher target because it has exceeded the expectations. Why is that so hard to believe?
I am sure most of you here at some point or another owned a GT-R. Yes the car is heavy,but does that stop it from going like stink. You all thought the R34s came with 280 hp until it was found out to be a bit more than that.
What is trhe ethos of the GT-R?
When the first Skyline passed a Porsche in the 60s, it was hoped that people whould have taken it seriously. Now almost 50 years later we still have even the so-called 'GT-R fanatics' questioning whether or not it is capable of beating a Porsche!! You all need to stop buying into this bullshit!!!

Youall saw what a FQ400 380+ bhp (3300lbs) did to a Lambo 550hp (3100 lbs). The Evo is hailed as one of the best handling cars in the world, the GT-R is that much better!! Yet you remain skeptics that the EVo is a better handling car to an M3 . Why? It is from the elite who say: "How dare Nissan or Mitsubishi try to compete with the German wundermachines?" "Preposterous!"

I call all of you skeptics out on your bullshit reasoning!! Find the facts. Follow the trail (hint) You will find the truth!!!
The car deserves every accolade.
-The second production car to lap the Ring in less than 8 mintues (the Jag been the first) The 400R WAS a production car!!
-Still up to this point the fastest production car through the quarter mile: 10.006 sec (Z tune) Yes that is a fact!!!!
-AWD World record holder (quarter mile) tuned.

Another note: Although the Evos have been dominating the Time Attack circuit, these have mostly been carbon fibre cars. Mine's GT-R and HKS has been able to keep pace while running in pretty much street packages though in highly tuned specs. Is that possible without having an exceptional blueprint to work with?
You all need to check yourselves.

Unfortunately even you are buying into the bullshit.

"GT-R is indeed lapping the Ring Faster than the 997TT" - Source - the media. How factual is this? May be true. May be moo!

"You all thought the R34s came with 280 hp until it was found out to be a bit more than that" - Says who? With regard to the R34 I know a well respected tuner who has dyno'd a couple of factory standard R34's here in the UK. Both were within a couple of bhp of the quoted 280PS (276bhp). Another Skyline myth?

"Youall saw what a FQ400 380+ bhp (3300lbs) did to a Lambo 550hp (3100 lbs). " - I don't know which you refer to, but I saw this on Top Gear. The Lambo never got chance to stretch its legs. From memory, It was a small, and very tight circuit. I am sure my new mini could give said Lambo a good spanking on the back roads near my house. But I still know which is really the quicker! The Top Gear test was done to prove a point. Under certain conditions the FQ400 is an equal. Under many it certainly is not.

Remember the UK TV review of the R33 vs Jag vs 911? (was it on channel 4?). Everyone saw the R33 murder the other two. Therefore R33 was a far faster car.... Or maybe not .. Said car was handed to them by Middlehursts. And I have it on good authority (from the above mentioned people) that this car ran really well (approx. 120bhp extra well) to guarantee a good result!

Me, I believe enough of the Hype to have put down a deposit on the New GT-R. And I am happy to go back to Nissan (previous Skyline owner) trading in my 911 (997) in the process.

...Mad

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by madadd

Unfortunately even you are buying into the bullshit.

"GT-R is indeed lapping the Ring Faster than the 997TT" - Source - the media. How factual is this? May be true. May be moo!

"You all thought the R34s came with 280 hp until it was found out to be a bit more than that" - Says who? With regard to the R34 I know a well respected tuner who has dyno'd a couple of factory standard R34's here in the UK. Both were within a couple of bhp of the quoted 280PS (276bhp). Another Skyline myth?

"Youall saw what a FQ400 380+ bhp (3300lbs) did to a Lambo 550hp (3100 lbs). " - I don't know which you refer to, but I saw this on Top Gear. The Lambo never got chance to stretch its legs. From memory, It was a small, and very tight circuit. I am sure my new mini could give said Lambo a good spanking on the back roads near my house. But I still know which is really the quicker! The Top Gear test was done to prove a point. Under certain conditions the FQ400 is an equal. Under many it certainly is not.

Remember the UK TV review of the R33 vs Jag vs 911? (was it on channel 4?). Everyone saw the R33 murder the other two. Therefore R33 was a far faster car.... Or maybe not .. Said car was handed to them by Middlehursts. And I have it on good authority (from the above mentioned people) that this car ran really well (approx. 120bhp extra well) to guarantee a good result!

Me, I believe enough of the Hype to have put down a deposit on the New GT-R. And I am happy to go back to Nissan (previous Skyline owner) trading in my 911 (997) in the process.

...Mad

We may well be over optimistic about the new GTR's performance however a few corrections on the above:

1) A standard R34 produces more than 280ps. Explain to me how an R32 allegedly produces 280ps with 0.75bar and an R34 produces 280ps with 0.93bar? I believe someone will have a dyno graph somewhere too.

2) An FQ-400 has 405bhp not 380bhp.

3) Assuming you're referring to the Top Gear test, the Murcielago had 580ps back then and weighed around 1650kg (~3530lbs).

[Guy]

Anyone who believes that a standard Z-Tune did a 10.0 1/4 mile is insane and simply does not deserve detailed responses, in the same way that a stock R33GTR has never done sub 8mins.

As for new GTR vs 997TT, I would expect it to have a very similar if not slightly better time, since it has the same power 480bhp and a similar weight and both 4wd with sticky tyres (Porsche quote 7:42 on sticky, 7:47 on normal). I therefore have no problem with the concept that a new GTR could just do a 7:38. HOWEVER, dropping down another 10 secs to CGT level is a whole new ballgame and that I do not believe.

[R33_GTS-t]

^I agree. 10s is about half a click distance-wise.

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by King Nismo

Yeah I have to agree with most people on this thread. Bonzelite you are a very poetic person and thats from the heart

That is very kind of you to say. Many thanks. I enjoy the camaraderie here. I will be posting more.

[gavman]

Originally Posted by psd1

Welcome back...oh, by the way, speaking of cars do you have pics of yours yet? Been waiting almost a year now...

lol

perhaps he's sold it so he can order his R35 V-spec

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by Guy

Anyone who believes that a standard Z-Tune did a 10.0 1/4 mile is insane and simply does not deserve detailed responses, in the same way that a stock R33GTR has never done sub 8mins.

And I think Nissan wants to nail the coffin lid on these, the urban legends, the doubting, and go all the way. I do believe that. I think this is the re-emergence of Godzilla from the deep.

HOWEVER, dropping down another 10 secs to CGT level is a whole new ballgame and that I do not believe.

It would be believable in a Nismo variant, I will concede.

But hey, mates --we have about 25 days left! So until then, it's stone-faces, funerals, and apathy! Bring on the dismissals and depressed heart rates! Woo-hoo!

[madadd]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

We may well be over optimistic about the new GTR's performance however a few corrections on the above:

1) A standard R34 produces more than 280ps. Explain to me how an R32 allegedly produces 280ps with 0.75bar and an R34 produces 280ps with 0.93bar? I believe someone will have a dyno graph somewhere too.

2) An FQ-400 has 405bhp not 380bhp.

3) Assuming you're referring to the Top Gear test, the Murcielago had 580ps back then and weighed around 1650kg (~3530lbs).

Of No's 2 & 3 the figures you quote were both those of "TheKing" and only copied from his message. Not my mistakes

As for item 1 .. Is this not a prime example of how people distort what they believe to be facts?

Everyone knows the R33 and R34 had more than 280PS. But isnt this because the media has printed it so many times. We all now take it as fact. If 280PS is incorrect, what is the correct figure? And what is the source of this information?

You believe someone will have a Dyno graph. Do you know that person, and can you guarantee the accuracy of that information? And more importantly, will it be a standard factory car, as it left Nissan.

Personally, I would trust Nissan to be truthful on power outputs. Why lie? The only person I know who has tested an R34 (well 2 of them) confirmed that they both ran pretty much what Nissan quoted. He had no reason to lie to me.

As for your boost question. I have no idea, so would not even attempt to answer your question. I am sure someone on here will have an answer.

At times, people do seem to believe pretty much anything they are told. And people love to believe their car has more power than it does.

But to keep on topic..

This car circling the ring... Surely the final production car is signed off already? If we are to believe these laptimes - Has anyone confirmed that the car doing them is the same car some of us will be shortly be buying?

...Mad

[bonzelite]

Originally Posted by madadd

This car circling the ring... Surely the final production car is signed off already? If we are to believe these laptimes - Has anyone confirmed that the car doing them is the same car some of us will be shortly be buying?

1) Nissan is a liar
2) All 3rd party sources are a liar
3) Every source of information about the GT-R is discredible and heresay.
4) If Nissan relays any information, it is considered a conspiracy
5) If a 3rd party discloses independent testing of Nissan GT-Rs, this information is fabricated and illegitimate.
6) Any thought about a GT-R is to be monitored and reported.
7) A GT-R is a ghost and does not exist and is a fabrication.
8) Discussion of GT-R performance characteristics is akin to discussing Big Foot or the Yeti and carries no credible sources of proof or worthiness.
9) GT-R sightings on the Nurburgring are disinformation campaigns conducted in collusion between Nissan and any 3rd party entity.
10) the 997tt seen on the Nurburgring with the GT-R is a rebodied decoy bearing no provable resemblance or mechanical performance to a Porsche.
11) Porsche is in collusion with Nissan to fabricate any and all information about both cars.

[the King]

Ask UK's GT-R Club, maybe they can help you with the R34's actual output :328hp seems about right. I wonder how many of you have actually owned a GT-R, especially V-Spec and above?
I made an error with the weight of the cars: the Lambo is indeed 1650kg while the Evo 1451kg. The Lambo wasnt the only car beaten by the Evo but here again the skeptics raise their ugly heads because some "POS" Japanese car dare to invade their rarified air. Do you see how may people where ready to jump @ me and my assertions? Proof of the elitist B.S!!!
No one commented on this: Anyway I am highlighting the fact that the Porsche's time of 7:40 is an unofficial time yet it IS taken to be GOSPEL by the PUBLIC> The Porsche's UNOFFICIAL TIME is accepeted yet the Nissan's isn't ?

And there in ladies and gentlemen is the lesson of the day. I no longer have to prove anything. You all just did it for me.
Enjoy the GT-R when it arrives!! I am out. From now on I will be an observer.

[Fuggles]

Originally Posted by the King

I wonder how many of you have actually owned a GT-R,

On this site? Probably quite a few

[stealth]

Originally Posted by Fuggles

On this site? Probably quite a few

Lol! thats funny ,it is quite amazing that there are GTR owners on this board and probably not many on something like the Greenpeace site

[stealth]

[QUOTE=the King;Enjoy the GT-R when it arrives!! I am out. From now on I will be an observer.[/QUOTE]



Cheers then ,can you lock the door on the way out