NEW TARGET FOR THE GT-R

[GTRJack]

Originally Posted by Guy

Anyone who believes that a standard Z-Tune did a 10.0 1/4 mile is insane and simply does not deserve detailed responses, in the same way that a stock R33GTR has never done sub 8mins

There's a video proof of a stock R33 GTR that did flat 8 minute at the Nurburgring by "Best Motoring", NOT by Dirk Schoisman (famous for doing 7:59). Surprise me that people here wasn't aware of that.

Sorry for being straight forward without mentioning the name, this thread used to be ok to read but now it sucks, some people here are being over optimistic and over pessimistic, sounds like bunch og hyporites to me.

[moleman]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

There's a video proof of a stock R33 GTR that did flat 8 minute at the Nurburgring by "Best Motoring"

[the King]

Originally Posted by stealth

Cheers then ,can you lock the door on the way out

Silly boy you will not get rid of me that easily Though I know you would love that wouldnt ya? No I just wont be posting anyhting until YOU ALLL have seen the truth for yourselves. Then I hope you will be willing to say: "I was wrong."
IF I am wrong about the times I will alllow myself to be and
Aint mad at ya

Cheers

[psd1]

Originally Posted by the King

Silly boy you will not get rid of me that easily Though I know you would love that wouldnt ya? No I just wont be posting anyhting until YOU ALLL have seen the truth for yourselves. Then I hope you will be willing to say: "I was wrong."
IF I am wrong about the times I will alllow myself to be and
Aint mad at ya

Cheers

Thought you left a few pages ago...

[the King]

Originally Posted by psd1

Thought you left a few pages ago...

NEXT!!! How many basher can I get in a day? Start the count: 1, ..., ...,
Dont spend so much energy responding to me and miss the date : October 23

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

There's a video proof of a stock R33 GTR that did flat 8 minute at the Nurburgring by "Best Motoring", NOT by Dirk Schoisman (famous for doing 7:59). Surprise me that people here wasn't aware of that.

I posted it a while back. I'd debate whether that R33 is standard either. I can't prove it either way but I'd love to see the boost gauge. I'd also love to know if the speedo is accurate. If it is then the R33 in the video isn't standard.

[moleman]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

I can't prove it either way

Quite.

I've always been sceptical about the 7'59" lap, although I want to believe it.

Best Motoring do use stock vehicles though. Not a lot of point of the time attack comparisons that they do otherwise.

[gavman]

Originally Posted by the King

Ask UK's GT-R Club, maybe they can help you with the R34's actual output :328hp seems about right. I wonder how many of you have actually owned a GT-R, especially V-Spec and above?
I made an error with the weight of the cars: the Lambo is indeed 1650kg while the Evo 1451kg. The Lambo wasnt the only car beaten by the Evo but here again the skeptics raise their ugly heads because some "POS" Japanese car dare to invade their rarified air. Do you see how may people where ready to jump @ me and my assertions? Proof of the elitist B.S!!!
No one commented on this: Anyway I am highlighting the fact that the Porsche's time of 7:40 is an unofficial time yet it IS taken to be GOSPEL by the PUBLIC> The Porsche's UNOFFICIAL TIME is accepeted yet the Nissan's isn't ?

And there in ladies and gentlemen is the lesson of the day. I no longer have to prove anything. You all just did it for me.
Enjoy the GT-R when it arrives!! I am out. From now on I will be an observer.

jesus

where do we get these muppets?

go back to the playground

starting to think we need a minimum age to post on here

[skyline69_uk]

Originally Posted by moleman

The thing about the Best Motoring laps is that they are half standing start laps not "flying laps" as quoted for normal Ring times. You can normally knock 1 to 2 seconds of those times to get the flying lap times i.e. R32 8'22" for BM and 8'19" in other tests etc. The R33 V-Spec would be more like a 7'59" for a proper flying lap. The R33's were more than capable of getting sub 8 mins in the right hands, I have always found it difficult to understand why it was impossible for some people to believe this .

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by skyline69_uk

The thing about the Best Motoring laps is that they are half standing start laps not "flying laps" as quoted for normal Ring times. You can normally knock 1 to 2 seconds of those times to get the flying lap times i.e. R32 8'22" for BM and 8'19" in other tests etc. The R33 V-Spec would be more like a 7'59" for a proper flying lap. The R33's were more than capable of getting sub 8 mins in the right hands, I have always found it difficult to understand why it was impossible for some people to believe this .

It's a matter of physics. The original 911 GT3 made about 7:57. +60bhp, RWD and -200kg. And I don't believe that an R33 is 20+s faster than an R32.

[GTRJack]

^^ You can't just think about the weight factor all the time. Some cars suits better for spesific track more then others; as for example the GTR the Nurgburgring is a natural road track that suits very well for the GTR to perform good. Matter of physics isn't just about weight and horsepower, it's about grip, traction and road condition as well. Doubters disepoint me, I don't understand why you woun't believe the GTR abow is a fully stock car, the Best Motoring is a truethful, trusted and respected Japanese automotive show and I don't see the reasion why they would lie about it. Keep also in mind that these people are pro drivers, they can maintain that speed on a track without driving off the road unlikely what we common driver could ever achieve..

Both stock R33 is faster then R32 on a race track EVEN though the R33 is heavier. You must also remember Nurburgring is a long track, so 15 - 20 seconds isn't that much of a gap as what you would think on i.e. 8 minute long track

[Bean]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

^^ You can't just think about the weight factor all the time. Some cars suits better for spesific track more then others; as for example the GTR the Nurgburgring is a natural road track that suits very well for the GTR to perform good. Matter of physics isn't just about weight and horsepower, it's about grip, traction and road condition as well. Doubters disepoint me, I don't understand why you woun't believe the GTR abow is a fully stock car, the Best Motoring is a truethful, trusted and respected Japanese automotive show and I don't see the reasion why they would lie about it. Keep also in mind that these people are pro drivers, they can maintain that speed on a track without driving off the road unlikely what we common driver could ever achieve..

Both stock R33 is faster then R32 on a race track EVEN though the R33 is heavier.

I wasn't going to waste my time posting on this thread however, I have to agree with you there.

[Blow Dog]

Originally Posted by Bean

I wasn't going to waste my time posting on this thread however, I have to agree with you there.

I know it can be frustrating sometimes, but in my experience, I have been witness to many occassions where Nissan have been extremely secretive with regards to lap times and their specific mule cars when testing on the ring.

I know for a fact a few years ago Nissan brought a Nur to the 'ring in order to attempt a Dirk S. lap time. This car was definately not showroom spec and sported a few extra items which we were very quickly asked not to look at.

It just so happened that there was no time set on that day and as a result, the attempt at setting the record straight was not met.

Finally, I know Nissan sent over an S-Tune when doing the promotional video and that was also supposed to be out on the ring. It had a full complement of Nismo staff and engineers on hand acting as pit crew. It is unfortunate that that particular car hit another head on in Germany because the driver of the S-Tune forgot that they drive on the right over in Europe, subsequently resulting in my car being used instead.

Unless anybody has driven a GTR with any anger on the circuit and is able to draw comparisons with other track cars, then there really isn't any point in debating as your opinion on its merits on the ring are pretty academic.

The GTR IS a heavy car and like it or not, weight and transmission are the most obvious of points and it takes a crap load of work to make a standard GTR out of the box into an effective track tool, LOTS of work.

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by GTRJack

^^ You can't just think about the weight factor all the time. Some cars suits better for spesific track more then others; as for example the GTR the Nurgburgring is a natural road track that suits very well for the GTR to perform good. Matter of physics isn't just about weight and horsepower, it's about grip, traction and road condition as well. Doubters disepoint me, I don't understand why you woun't believe the GTR abow is a fully stock car, the Best Motoring is a truethful, trusted and respected Japanese automotive show and I don't see the reasion why they would lie about it. Keep also in mind that these people are pro drivers, they can maintain that speed on a track without driving off the road unlikely what we common driver could ever achieve..

Both stock R33 is faster then R32 on a race track EVEN though the R33 is heavier. You must also remember Nurburgring is a long track, so 15 - 20 seconds isn't that much of a gap as what you would think on i.e. 8 minute long track

You may be right. I guess the R32 lap was in the wet after all. I'm just suspicious at the way it hit 300km/h, even if the clock is out a bit.

[Blow Dog]

Re-reading that, that's not supposed to come across as dismissive as it has!

Despite my current choice of car, GTR is my life for obvious reasons - I want it to be successful more than all of you put together