GUNS

[psd1]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

psd1 might also be interested to know that the UK police can now arrest a person for any offence whatsoever, regardless of how small it is. They can also stop and search at will. How could anyone disrespect such fine people?

That is very interesting. In the US, an officer must have Probable Cause to stop a person and cant arrest for misdemeanor crimes. People cannot be searched either without PC, it's called an illegal search and anything found during an illegal search is inadmissable in court.

We can do what is called a "Terry" stop, which is a quick frisk if the officer "feels" that there is a reasonable danger. Terry stops are used during traffic stops and confrontations on the streets. The goal of this quick frisk is to ensure that there are no weapons present, officers are not allowed to look in wallets or locked bags and such.

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Chilli

R33_GTS-t, psd1,

Considering your obvious strong views in defence of the gun, if you or someone close to you lost a loved one as a direct result of this weapon, could you see your views changing?

Chilli

That is a good question. I think that I would feel the same way if someone I loved was killed in a car accident. God forbid it were an accidental discharge by a child that happened with one of my weapons. Gun education is absolutely necessary as is a healthy dose of reality. My daughter has been around guns, but I dont leave them accessible to her...just like I dont give her the keys to the Mustang and tell her to have a rip...

I believe that the best offense is a strong defense. I choose to defend myself and to do that with a firearm in my house. I dont want to use it, but I am trained and am comfortable with using them. If I needed to, and my life or a loved ones life depended on the succesful employment of that weapon I could and would use it. How would I feel after that, who could know, but I dont think that if I used my weapon in a legal shooting and the bad guy died that it would be something that would drive me to feel differently about guns.

[Mookistar]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

^FIXED.

You sad sack of shit.

Seriously, get a life. If you can't contribute like an adult, don't post.

People are getting bored of you.

Mook

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Howsie

That wouldn't happen of course, everyone would be carrying a gun and they would have been able to defended themselves or the perp would have thought twice about it because he/she may get shot. Zero crime in a gun filled society I believe the argument is.

You jest, but there are historical, documented cases where it has been proven that crime goes down in areas where residents have more guns.

If I am a crim and I know that in A town, guns are illegal, or very difficult to get and in B town there are lots of legal guns where am I going to go to commit my crime????

Zero crime in a gun filled society...just like there's zero crime in your gun FREE society.

[moleman]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

That doesn't counter the point I made in any way.

Yes it does.

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

None of the guns taken as a result of the new law were held by criminals, nor had they been used in crime.

You cannot possibly know that. You are not familiar with the histories of every single firearms certificate holder in the UK, or their weapons.

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Mookistar

like Detriot you mean? ; )

Great point, I appreciate the segway. Washington D.C. has some of the MOST restrictive gun laws in the United States, they are constantly having gun amnesty days and the such...guess what city almost always leads the annual crime statistics...Washington D.C.

Ya see, the criminals dont care that guns are illegal, and they know that very few of the residents in D.C. can defend themselves so it's easy pickings.

Thats one of the great things about the US, if I dont like the laws in DC, I move to Montana, where I can carry a .45 on my hip as I walk the streets of Billings. Check the crime rates between Billings MT and D.C....you get the drift, you just cant fathom the fact that honest, law abiding people can have a gun and not go on a killing spree every other day.

[Mookistar]

Originally Posted by psd1

Great point, I appreciate the segway. Washington D.C. has some of the MOST restrictive gun laws in the United States, they are constantly having gun amnesty days and the such...guess what city almost always leads the annual crime statistics...Washington D.C..

and how did all thos guns get onto the streets in the first place?

you must be able to correlate the quantity of guns owned by criminals would grow exponentially if the laws were relaxed.

every crook/criminal would HAVE to carry a gun to defend THEMSELVES from the gun toting civies, which could only lead to an increase in gun related injuries and deaths.

remeber, a lot of criminals are oppurtunist, but a LOT are career, and will rob regardless of the risk. come face to face with one and instead of getting beaten up, you get shot from across the room

i know i'd rather my house get broken into by a knife weilding crackhead off his tits, than a gun toting one.

mook

[stealth]

Originally Posted by Mookistar

You sad sack of shit.

Seriously, get a life. If you can't contribute like an adult, don't post.

People are getting bored of you.

Mook

Mook ,I seem to remember a thread some time ago along the lines of people on here making posts about other members spelling all the time would get a ban

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Mookistar

every crook/criminal would HAVE to carry a gun to defend THEMSELVES from the gun toting civies, which could only lead to an increase in gun related injuries and deaths.


i know i'd rather my house get broken into by a knife weilding crackhead off his tits, than a gun toting one.

mook

See, like I said you cant grasp the concept. Gun toting civvies are NOT the problem. Law abiding citizens are NOT a threat...get that through your head. There are MILLIONS of privately owned firearms that are NOT used daily in crime!!!!


The difference is that if the Crackhead with a knife breaks into my house I am still allowed to use deadly force to dispatch the a$$hole in my country. Oh, and I WONT be arrested either. Will I be interviewed, yup. May I have to make a trip to the police station, maybe...but once it passes muster, that the Crackhead had a knife and I feared for my familys life...I'm golden!

[Mookistar]

Originally Posted by psd1

See, like I said you cant grasp the concept. Gun toting civvies are NOT the problem. Law abiding citizens are NOT a threat...get that through your head. There are MILLIONS of privately owned firearms that are NOT used daily in crime!!!!


The difference is that if the Crackhead with a knife breaks into my house I am still allowed to use deadly force to dispatch the a$$hole in my country. Oh, and I WONT be arrested either. Will I be interviewed, yup. May I have to make a trip to the police station, maybe...but once it passes muster, that the Crackhead had a knife and I feared for my familys life...I'm golden!

no YOU don't get it

the criminals would arm themselves to defend themselves, which is more likely to result in SOMEONE getting shot

give a mugger a gun instead of a knife, give someone robbing a newsagent a gun instead of a knife.

these are guns which are now "legal" but in the wrong hands. again, kid getting bullied at school, decides enough is enough, breaks into dads gun locker...

more guns = more gun related death

mook

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by moleman

Yes it does.



You cannot possibly know that. You are not familiar with the histories of every single firearms certificate holder in the UK, or their weapons.

You don't understand how the certification and registration of guns works.

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by Mookistar

no YOU don't get it

the criminals would arm themselves to defend themselves, which is more likely to result in SOMEONE getting shot

give a mugger a gun instead of a knife, give someone robbing a newsagent a gun instead of a knife.

more guns = more gun related death

mook

The criminals are already arming themselves in case you haven't noticed.

Originally Posted by Mookistar

these are guns which are now "legal" but in the wrong hands. again, kid getting bullied at school, decides enough is enough, breaks into dads gun locker...

And why not. Bullies deserve all they get. It's a shame that society is too dishonest to admit that most school stabbings result from a failure of the system to curb bullying.

[psd1]

Originally Posted by Mookistar

no YOU don't get it

the criminals would arm themselves to defend themselves, which is more likely to result in SOMEONE getting shot

give a mugger a gun instead of a knife, give someone robbing a newsagent a gun instead of a knife.

these are guns which are now "legal" but in the wrong hands. again, kid getting bullied at school, decides enough is enough, breaks into dads gun locker...

more guns = more gun related death

mook

I dont agree. What the US needs to do to curb their gun problem is to take guns out of the hands of criminal. This is done with harsh punishments for those that break the law, not by making law abiding citizens criminals by making guns illegal.

It all goes back to what you said earlier, if a criminal wants to get a gun they are going to. You make it seem like guns are available at every five and dime in the US, it isnt true.

Anyhow, we can agree to disagree on this. I gotta get to bed so I can make a couple dollars tomorrow!

Chow!

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by stealth

Mook ,I seem to remember a thread some time ago along the lines of people on here making posts about other members spelling all the time would get a ban

Well then you should ban the admin:

ATTN - N00bs and Idiots

Is it really that hard to start a sentence with a capital letter? That's English Language for 5 year-olds. Evidentally some members - mentioning no names - need remedial classes.

[Mookistar]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

The criminals are already arming themselves in case you haven't noticed.

and making this easier will help how?