Moby Dick versus Ferrari Enzo

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Sidious

Just like any GTS-T driver would, they always got to prove something.

Er, before you go having a pop at us GTST drivers, can I just remind you the thread starter has a GTR

[Sidious]

Originally Posted by Trev

Er, before you go having a pop at us GTST drivers, can I just remind you the thread starter has a GTR

Why do you bother driving a GTR if you're not going to open it up? Just get a comfy mile muncher and save cash, unless you have one just so you can be seen in it?

I live in London and drive into the city centre almost every day, so I always see fast exotic cars around, yet I dont feel the need to r1ce - er I mean race them at every stop light to uphold the Skyliner propaganda.

"Fast as yer likeeee"


I open my car up when I want and if the roads and conditions suit it, it is for my pleasure and my expense and risk. It is not for proving a point or flaunting who has the bigger willy against other cars.

The point is Enzos will be supercars win or lose, you can dump your HK$ or Greddy valves as much as you like, you will not make a Ferrari owner feel inferior or foolish for spending 20x as much as you did for a R32 GTR.

R32 GTRs are wonderful cars, but FFS, know where you are on the food chain!

[rasonline]

Originally Posted by Trev

Good.

Tbh, who is seriously interested in your sad little street races?

well i for one am keen to hear about it and everybody else's street races.. just as i would also talk about mine. It's a shame when people start playing the "more holy than though" card and having a swipe at people who do the traffic light parade just because they don't agree with it themselves.

If you don't like it, then just carry on with your life instead of pi$$ing on everybody else's toes... i drive my cars regularly on public roads at +200km/h, and particularly enjoy having a go with supercars for exactly the same reason as Kismet i.e. to see how i do. and occasionally the other driver and I pull of on the road side and have a few words... win or lose it matters not.. it's a culture that we belong to. As immature and dangerous as it may seem to the likes of you, your opinion is not fact and you'd be best off respecting others.

So there are some of us who will have a go on public roads.. big f"££2!"ng deal.. i do it with my buddies at 2am on a Friday night when there is nobody else on the highways.. 5 cars on a 200km round trip at speeds of +250km/h. Whenever i come up against another car that's worth a bit of fun then we'll have a go.. Clean fun as long as it ain't reckless. There are some people on here who do road mapping on their highly tuned GTRs in top gear!!! You work out the math on the gearing.

Fair play to Kismet for taking his losses like a man, and still "bragging" about it. Not many people who will admit to a defeat. And reading the post over again, it seemed like he wasn't bragging about the race but rather about the Fiat driver's attitude.

never ceases to amaze me the shallow posts of the type that Trev and Sidious have posted here...

Unless there is some other history or conflict between Trev and Kismet that i'nm not aware of

[Michael V]

^^^^^ Well said. Agree 100%

[mifn21]

Originally Posted by Sidious

I live in London and drive into the city centre almost every day, so I always see fast exotic cars around, yet I dont feel the need to r1ce - er I mean race them at every stop light to uphold the Skyliner propaganda.

"Fast as yer likeeee"


I open my car up when I want and if the roads and conditions suit it, it is for my pleasure and my expense and risk. It is not for proving a point or flaunting who has the bigger willy against other cars.

The point is Enzos will be supercars win or lose, you can dump your HK$ or Greddy valves as much as you like, you will not make a Ferrari owner feel inferior or foolish for spending 20x as much as you did for a R32 GTR.

R32 GTRs are wonderful cars, but FFS, know where you are on the food chain!

In somewhere like Seoul I'd guess Enzos aren't quite as commonplace, if your car had similar power to what is a pretty rare supercar wouldn't you be a little curious to see how your car fares? If you read the original post it says he was interested to see how much the R32 would lose by, so it has nothing to do with making a Ferrari driver feel stupid
How do you know the roads and conditions suit or didn't suit the situation?

[frostmotorsport]

hmmm, I think some people need to pull their heads out of their behinds and stick to forum topics, lest interesting ppl like the captain stop posting, and this forum becomes the automotive equivalent of knitting monthly.....

you disagree with his actions. fine - perhaps have a PM war with him so he can add you to his ban list.

Whether I street race or not does not matter - I like hearing stories about GTR's and Kismet seems to have a rare and interesting attitude towards his car - I for one, appreciate it.

So lets discuss teh subject in question, which is NOT the morality of a stop light race that no one was present at and therefore has no authority to comment on.

Cap'n - the floor is yours.

[pitbull]

i think you missed the point.i KNOW i would lose againts 99 % of all exotic cars and to be fair its not a race but a little play to see how fast they are.i am happy with my gtt and have know willy wagging to do unlike yourself who has to keep promting people you live in a wealthy area and drive a better car than us gts lads.if i wanted a gtr i could have got one maybe not the best one in the world but hey i don't earn stupid money.
if he wants to have a play against a enzo when hes half way round the other side of the world then let him!

[pitbull]

just to add i agree a skyline is not a super car and never will be and if i had the money my bum would be in £500,000 supercar and no matter how fast your car is it won't match a supercar in every department.

[Sean]

Tea and crumpets on a track day! Have you fallen down and bumped your colonial brain again?

[RSVFOUR]

Looking forward to the next episode

[MartinC]

I love the captain's posts, he has true passion for his car of choice. He takes it to the limit and sometimes beyond in his quest for the ultimate **** twitching bum clenching experience in his vehicle. His choice is taking it on the streets which is hardcore, and should be respected, if not approved of. But he posts his true thoughts on his car, and how he drives it which in my book is top draw.

[Darbo]

Originally Posted by frostmotorsport

hmmm, I think some people need to pull their heads out of their behinds and stick to forum topics, lest interesting ppl like the captain stop posting, and this forum becomes the automotive equivalent of knitting monthly.....

you disagree with his actions. fine - perhaps have a PM war with him so he can add you to his ban list.

Whether I street race or not does not matter - I like hearing stories about GTR's and Kismet seems to have a rare and interesting attitude towards his car - I for one, appreciate it.

So lets discuss teh subject in question, which is NOT the morality of a stop light race that no one was present at and therefore has no authority to comment on.

Cap'n - the floor is yours.

agreed 100%

be yourself Cap'n
ignor the eejits

[kismetcapitan]

Originally Posted by Trev

Believe it or not, neither do I.

I just don't think bragging about street racing on a public forum is very clever and a very good example.

Enough said, truce and peace out

very cool, I'll honestly take your words to heart.

[kismetcapitan]

in regards to the "food chain", a well-built car of any make, so long as the owner has put enough passion and engineering sense into it, can and will win.

The fastest drag car in Korea? A Daewoo Matiz. Look it up. It's a $5000 car new. But the owner went and put in a 2.7 liter Hyundai Tiburon V6 in the rear (like a RenaultSport Clio), twin turboed it, and ran high 7s and took the 2006 AND 2007 title.

During the summer, a lot of people were talking trash to each other on Korean message boards, and numerous races were held to determine "the fastest car in Korea". Rolling 80kph start, over 10km of empty freeway. 200+mph cars need only apply. Some very rich guy with a massively modified RUF Porsche blew away all contenters. Several people were quite humiliated - one guy showed up in his Skyline - R33, topmount turbos, claiming over 1200bhp, talking real big, and got left in the dust by a huge distance. He never showed up again, grumbling about "remaps" and whatnot.

But then a Supra showed up and beat that Porsche, again and again. I think the Porsche owner asked for two rematches. He got whipped each time. (The Supra was built by JUN, and purchased used for $120,000USD).

Someone got really bent out of shape that a Toyota was the fastest thing on Korean roads. He took an Enzo and they ran. The Supra won again, and the whole fervor died down, as the cops caught on to these 200mph+ races and anyways no one had a car that could realistically challenge the Supra.

Serious races. Terminal speeds at well over 200mph. Just being there, as dangerous and illegal and whatever, it was ****ing exciting.

Know where you are in the food chain? Know my place and always defer to wealthy patricians in Ferraris. F*ck that. 4 lane boulevard. Dead clear of cars to the next stoplight. Punk kid in a black Enzo revving his engine. But say you had the sister car to Mick's Super Lemon. Or even the fellow with the 7 second Daewoo.

It's not the marque, or how wealthy you are, or if you're titled or a lord or whatever. Are you fast? Can you drive?

It'd not "ultimate Ferrari" versus some Datsun with Halford's bits bolted on. There are quite a few cars owned by members here who could have made that boy eat crow. That's why we like Skylines. That's why I have so much passion for my car - yesterday, I drove the missus to work, went and picked up some photo albums we had had made up, then went across town, bought cat food and some other tidbits for the cats, went to the foreign grocery so I could buy some American food essentials, went to a bathroom supply store to buy a replacement fan for the broken one in the bathroom, swung by BMW Motorrad Seoul to have a chat with the owner about bikes in general and about going on a tour this summer, picked up the missus, went to the department store where she bought some girly things, picked up more groceries, and went home. The Enzo showed up as I was headed to pick up the missus.

That's what makes a supercar super. And not just in a straight line either. I think I heard somewhere that Skylines can do quite a number on the track as well....

[kismetcapitan]

A couple other thoughts - supercars...tight cramped interiors, you can't see out of them, and yet numerous Skylines are solidly tuned to match or exceed their performance. I suppose if you've got something to prove to the general public about your status, or need something to help you get laid, or honestly, just admire fine bodywork, then there's that point to exotics. But sheer performance isn't one of them.

And honestly, it's also about living within one's means. I cannot afford a $2,000,000 car (what an Enzo costs in Korea). I can't even swing the $600,000 for a used Carrera GT "with issues". But I think no one on this board would doubt that, if I were infinitely wealthy and had an exotic as a base car, that I'd be doing the same things to it that I am to my Skyline - tuning the bejeezus out of it, and being quite experimental. Otherwise, where's the fun? I'd shoot myself from boredom if I were given an Enzo - with the caveat that I could never modify a single part of the car.

People drive cars for different reasons. This is mine.