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what's the difference between "partially faster" and "completely faster"? if you're faster, you're faster. w@nker   |
BBAAAAHAHAHAHA, i couldnt have put it better myself!
Technology improves mate.... just becuase the ENZO is a now approacing a million to buy doesnt mean it will reign forever. Just how the F430 Scuderia or whatevr the heck it is, is proven to be quicker than an ENZO around a track... a ferrari testing track at that. And at the ring, GTR is faster than that. But no, thats still not good enough for you, becuase as you said its just on 1 track. But my point exactly, ENZO, even tho it is what it is, it doesnt excel in ALL areas. It can be beaten by cheaper, newer cars or well modified ones. Even through the slalom the standard GTR is faster.
I know a Lambo Murcielago owner that had to fork out $50,000NZD for a transmission problem. I think it was for the clutch for the E-gear. The car had something stuid like less than 10,000km on it. He ended up selling it off for 399,000NZD due to the mounting crazy servicing costs aswell. That is one example of many maintenace issues with exotics, why, even glancing on this this forum ppl are complaining about reliability issues. Shit, for $50 - $60K u could build a bulletproof 700-800hp GTR along with supporting mods, braking and handling package...
Of course nordschleife is not THE only way to determine a cars performance i never said that. And no i havnt driven there or even glanced with my own eyes there. But lets face it, it is becomming well regarded as THE de-facto standard in showing real world capabilities of a car. And people and companies are ever trying to prove the capabilities on THIS test track im guessing due to the mixture it provides, bumpy undulating surfaces, positive and negative cambered corners, hairpins, fast straights, sweepers etc...
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Sidious: If you really want to speculate, a Carerra GT will still outlap a 911 Turbo even with a 100 HP 100 KG handycap. The overall package is much much more efficient than the 911 is. It would be outbraked, out maneuvered, and out dragged at higherspeeds, especially around the faster bends.
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Its fact now is it, because you said so? Are you sure? hmm, isnt THAT more of a very "opinionated" statement than what i said?? Atleast i had numbers to quote on. A Carrera GT carrying 100KG more than what it is, and taking away 100HP away from it... i guess you should know for a FACT because im guessing you have driven it and own them right?
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As I mentioned in the beginning paragraph of this post, you seem to dismiss aspects of performance of cars that you will unlikely ever find yourself using, but its amusing you use the nordschleife to rate cars even though you're 95% unlikely to have ever raced or driven on there! lol
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I apologise Sidious, no im not as fortunate as u of owning both of these cars, and can only speculate, but becuase you are an owner of both these machines, i guess speculation for u is out of the order?
the only thing i can really draw on is again ur hated ring times...
Carrera GT has posted a 7.28 by a
company driver. Now, why dont u start critising that and get all anal and saying "becuase it was driven by a the company test driver, the time is not believeable and most likely alot slower than it can really achieve"
or doesnt that apply in this case because it is a mid-engined exotic with a hefty pricetag? hahahah. But only to a cheap datsun im guessing.
911 turbo does around 7.40 right? So A carrera GT doing a 7.28 and add 100kg and take 100hp away from it... wow i can really see how for SURE it will wouldnt even loose any of its 12 seconds at all.