[Sidious]

Originally Posted by Addicted2Boost

BBAAAAHAHAHAHA, i couldnt have put it better myself!

Technology improves mate.... just becuase the ENZO is a now approacing a million to buy doesnt mean it will reign forever. Just how the F430 Scuderia or whatevr the heck it is, is proven to be quicker than an ENZO around a track... a ferrari testing track at that. And at the ring, GTR is faster than that. But no, thats still not good enough for you, becuase as you said its just on 1 track. But my point exactly, ENZO, even tho it is what it is, it doesnt excel in ALL areas. It can be beaten by cheaper, newer cars or well modified ones. Even through the slalom the standard GTR is faster.

What this has to do with the F430 Scudera, I dont know. The car nevertheless is another light weight, low COG, midengined car with excellent aerodynamics for a road car and has benefited from recent advances in road/track tyres.

The F430 Scuderia is claimed to be close to the Enzo as this model is very track orientated, it has a good package for many circuits whilst remaining legal for road use.

The R35 GTR hasn't been proven by independent testing to be faster than the Scudera or Enzo on any track. All you have is some claimed Nordschielfe lap time and you are wasting my time reading your weak arguments based on a manufacturer test condition claim.

Of course nordschleife is not THE only way to determine a cars performance i never said that. And no i havnt driven there or even glanced with my own eyes there. But lets face it, it is becomming well regarded as THE de-facto standard in showing real world capabilities of a car. And people and companies are ever trying to prove the capabilities on THIS test track im guessing due to the mixture it provides, bumpy undulating surfaces, positive and negative cambered corners, hairpins, fast straights, sweepers etc...

No it is not the de-facto standard in real world capabilities of a car. For example, you wouldnt/shouldnt be doing 140-160 MPH around a cambered bend in the public road, nor will you be driving the car between slip and grip and riding kerbs to get the best possible speed in Nordschielfe!

Nordschielfe requires good wheel travel and compliant suspension, often low performance cars are tested on this track to measure damper and suspension stiffness performance not outright pace, many high performance cars do this too. What is good for Nordschielfe is not so ideal on other tracks and it can fail miserably on another road/circuit if you setup a car too much this way.

The problem is marketing departments will extrapolate the best laptimes and fool the public about how fast a car can go, every major manufacturer is guilty of this not just Nissan.

Its fact now is it, because you said so? Are you sure? hmm, isnt THAT more of a very "opinionated" statement than what i said?? Atleast i had numbers to quote on. A Carrera GT carrying 100KG more than what it is, and taking away 100HP away from it... i guess you should know for a FACT because im guessing you have driven it and own them right? haha


I apologise Sidious, no im not as fortunate as u of owning both of these cars, and can only speculate, but becuase you are an owner of both these machines, i guess speculation for u is out of the order? the only thing i can really draw on is again ur hated ring times... Carrera GT has posted a 7.28 by a company driver. Now, why dont u start critising that and get all anal and saying "becuase it was driven by a the company test driver, the time is not believeable and most likely alot slower than it can really achieve" or doesnt that apply in this case because it is a mid-engined exotic with a hefty pricetag? hahahah. But only to a cheap datsun im guessing.

911 turbo does around 7.40 right? So A carrera GT doing a 7.28 and add 100kg and take 100hp away from it... wow i can really see how for SURE it will wouldnt even loose any of its 12 seconds at all.

YOU asked me what I think the outcome would be if the Carrera GT had a 100 HP/KG penalty, and I explicitly told you I would speculate (not state as fact) the Carrera would still be faster since it has a better package and more ultimate grip, increased stopping power and lower drag.

Who said it would still be 12 seconds faster?? ..... How about you start reading replies and answers to YOUR questions instead of quickfireing a response to my post because you're too biased and intellectually weak to compose a sensible arguement.

THINK before you try posting in a middle of a discussion, posting what your bowels tells you only shows you are either a silly ricer like kismet is or you are another 14 year old fan boy with just about enough communication skills to order a milkshake from the local mcdonalds