[Sidious]

Originally Posted by gtrlux

1) The Enzo is (what ever you want to call it to feel nice with it ) a super car ! It costs so much that you can ask yourself if it really makes sense in terms of real world value-performance . As every body knows that for 1.000.000$+ you can build up most GT cars to superior performance then an ENZO.

I think you using the $1000000 budget as a bit of a catch-all clause.

But even so, in the "real world" you and few others on here always like to say, the laws of physics is the ultimate limiting factor to what a particular car can or cannot do. You have to understand these things and why cars are built the way they are. To improve a car you have to test, and test again, experiment with parts and setups and then measure it, quantify it and of course see how fast it goes from A-B. Unless you plan on hiring top professionals for consultation, various roads and tracks for development, spare parts in case you break things during testing, and a professional racing driver to do all this and insurance, the $1000000 wont get you very far.

2) Performance is a big word that can mean many things. Yes the ENZO aerodynamics are from another world compared to your GTR. And therefore it can hit thoses hight speeds above 320kph! Now that is all great for western opulent show off, but it doesn`t help much in the real world to go more quick then 320kph ! That`s when you start to compare your initial 5.000.000Yen R32 GTR from 1989 , what it can do in terms of handling , against the exactly 25 times more expensive ENZO. And then you realize that without swapping your budget GT car engine for a super car engine, you actually not need 25 times more money to tune your 89. GTR to the same (or superior) level of handling and it`s six cylinder to superior power outputs, of that very ENZO . . . . .

Aerodyanamics is a misused term, dude. You have 3 factors which apply the "real world" just as much as decent tyres with correct pressure applies to the "real world".

- Downforce or negative lift
- Drag
- Distribution of negative lift forces and leverage

You can have 1000 KG of downforce, but this would be useless if it was all applied to the rear axle and suffer huge understeer problems if you are lucky.

You can have 1000 KG of downforce spread across the whole chassis, but if you have very high drag at the same time, you will get overtaken on the straights by a rival car.

You will find alot of the upper end racing cars, including the JGTC GTRs and recent supecars all deploy tricks to maximise usable downforce and minimise drag at the same time.

A rear dry carbon wing, a top secret rear difuser and a few canards at the front of an R32 GTR wont do much but reduce a bit of underbody lift at road usable ride heights, but will add considerable amount of drag.

3)A real super car should obliviate every thing on any road, weather conditions and should be reliable in thoses extreme conditions, as this is also a very big requierement for aiming the title of dominator amongst cars!
The Enzo , Zonda and co are shit drives in wet, they are shit on slippery roads, and they are shit on bumped roads (now dominating in thoses conditions seems to be not that important for the supercar fans, as it is more cool to sparkle on a clean track with 400kph highspeeds . . . .

No supercar has even been claimed to obliterate everything on the road, please try not let your own imagination get carried away here.

Wet weather affects all cars, especially GT-Rs which tend to use summer tyres. Braking and laterial grip is limited as would any other car would be, however you can apply power a bit better than a RWD car can - that is the only advantage a GTR would have.

4) Then at last considering all the above, it is more then legitime to take the Enzo with it skills as a reference in certain domains and thinking about what you can do and for how much to bring your budget GT to superior performance in overall terms (the highspeed aero problem is the last thing in my mind).

If you race a fictional 800 HP GTR against an Enzo, "highspeed aero problem" will become a major factor considering how easy it would be for these cars to reach over 3 figure speeds.

Please do not belittle or pretent that significant aspect of a cars performance doesnt exist just because it happens to place your GTR at a disadvantage.

Give me 1.000.000$ and my R32GTR would (with it`s initial engine, chassis and 4WD systhem kill an ENZO any where at anytime. So now please tell me somebody how much money we need to invest in our R32 GTR to get partially the skills of an ENZO . . . theses are the interesting answers we want to hear!

As I said earlier, $1000000 wont be enough, its not a simple case of buying aftermarket parts - otherwise only $50000 will do.