GTR 35 vs EK9 street drag in Singapore!

[Lith]

Haha those Hondas aren't that bad aye, if the motor is built and tuned properly they are plenty reliable. The gearboxes are impressively strong, and one of the best things to aim for when going for cornering is low weight - Civics aren't exactly portly, helps for cornering, braking and accelerating as well as not eating brakes and tires as fast. Getting on the power coming out of corners is the main problem with a high power one like that, but it is achieveable.

Most of the time I hear the other way around, as heaps of people here use Hondas as track cars and often give mildly modified GTRs etc more than a run for their money around tracks - people usually talk down what would happen if the GTR and the Honda are put together side by side in a straight line. A mate of mine has a 500hp daily driven Civic, been running that power for a couple of years ago and has broken nothing using it for daily driving, track and drag. A 1.8litre engine in a sub 1100kg car is very tractible!

[Godspd]

It took 2.0 bar and over 500hp at the wheels to beat the GTR convincinly..

Not that impressive really..

[mg1942]

Originally Posted by Godspd

It took 2.0 bar and over 500hp at the wheels to beat the GTR convincinly..

Not that impressive really..

What's amazing is the size of the Civic engine. Less tjhan 2 liters!

And a 2.0 bar on GT-R would break the DSG. Did i forget to mention R-35's DSG costs more than that tuned civic?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Godspd

It took 2.0 bar and over 500hp at the wheels to beat the GTR convincinly..

Not that impressive really..

It is impressive, but I know what you mean.

The Honda weighs nothing, likely > 1000 lbs less weight and probably spins the front tires viciously through 1st and 2nd gear; wonder what kind of tires the Honda was using. I would hasten to guess the overtake speed (for the Honda) was probably well in excess of 100 mph. It's an OK win. Definitely a VERY fast Honda, but not a very user-friendly vehicle with those boost levels on a front-drive vehicle with that little mass.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mg1942

What's amazing is the size of the Civic engine. Less tjhan 2 liters!

And a 2.0 bar on GT-R would break the DSG. Did i forget to mention R-35's DSG costs more than that tuned civic?

You realize that the Civic has to be a 'fully-built' lower end (low compression pistons, ...) and it has to be run on race gas > 98 - 100 octane at those boost levels. It is a grenade waiting to happen.

Please show your math when stating that GT-R DSG $ > Civic + all modifications

[Jspeed]

Let me give you some inside info:

1st 2 runs:The GTR let the Civic start first and was way out of his power band at 2000+rpm 2nd gear and still lost by only 1/2 car length. If they had both started in 1st gear or 2nd gear in the GTR's powerband, the GTR would have won by a HUGE distance, hence they raced under such conditions.


3rd run: The GTR tried starting in 1st gear but revs were too high and he hit the rev limiter instantly while the Civic just pulled away. He tried to catch the Civic but gave up after 3rd gear.

Facts:

Civic never ran 2.0 bar of boost, was running 1.6 bar all the way.
The GTR was on STOCK ECU but de-limited with Mine's exhaust. It for sure did not have the Mine's ECU if not would have probably won

[Nismo-ace]

You also have to look at the money difference.........

That civic is probably less than £15,000 including mods and the skyline is around £60,000+ so you have to rate the civic.

Although thats only in the straight line coming around corners like the other user said it'll probably lose with a big difference around a track.

skyline gtr35 all th way!!!!!!!!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Jspeed

Let me give you some inside info:

1st 2 runs:The GTR let the Civic start first and was way out of his power band at 2000+rpm 2nd gear and still lost by only 1/2 car length. If they had both started in 1st gear or 2nd gear in the GTR's powerband, the GTR would have won by a HUGE distance, hence they raced under such conditions.


3rd run: The GTR tried starting in 1st gear but revs were too high and he hit the rev limiter instantly while the Civic just pulled away. He tried to catch the Civic but gave up after 3rd gear.

Facts:

Civic never ran 2.0 bar of boost, was running 1.6 bar all the way.
The GTR was on STOCK ECU but de-limited with Mine's exhaust. It for sure did not have the Mine's ECU if not would have probably won

appreciate the truth.

no 'launch control'??????? hmmm. why?

I was wondering, because I can't imagine that Civic being able to gain any meaningful traction before 3rd gear from a stop. A lot of the time, especially with front-drive vehicles, 1.6 psi > 2.0 psi, so it is getting clearer now. I would probably try to modify to staged psi in different gears doing 50% in 1st and 2nd, 75% in 3rd and WOT after.

Why did they say the GT-R was running with a Mine's ECU? The facts are definitely appreciated. I don't take anything away from the numbers the Honda is making, but it just can't deliver the power to the pavement. Sorry, just not possible.

[Jspeed]

[QUOTE=Phoenix;901974]appreciate the truth.

Why did they say the GT-R was running with a Mine's ECU? The facts are definitely appreciated.
[QUOTE]

I think they assumed cos most of the GTRs over here are running with the Mine's ECU, although most of them are on stock exhaust.

[tokyogtr]

what was the distance of this drag btw? any idea what the top speed of the civic is?

[Jspeed]

About 600m. Top speed of Civic was around 240km/h and he almost maxed out during the run.

[KingAbarth]

Originally Posted by Jspeed

Let me give you some inside info:

1st 2 runs:The GTR let the Civic start first and was way out of his power band at 2000+rpm 2nd gear and still lost by only 1/2 car length. If they had both started in 1st gear or 2nd gear in the GTR's powerband, the GTR would have won by a HUGE distance, hence they raced under such conditions.


3rd run: The GTR tried starting in 1st gear but revs were too high and he hit the rev limiter instantly while the Civic just pulled away. He tried to catch the Civic but gave up after 3rd gear.

Facts:

Civic never ran 2.0 bar of boost, was running 1.6 bar all the way.
The GTR was on STOCK ECU but de-limited with Mine's exhaust. It for sure did not have the Mine's ECU if not would have probably won

Notice that the car in action is black... and so is your avartar..



anymore 'insider' info??

[Jspeed]

There are many black GTRs on the road already bro

Originally Posted by KingAbarth

Notice that the car in action is black... and so is your avartar..



anymore 'insider' info??

[KingAbarth]

of cos there are..

I think black accounts to the most while red the least..

back to the topic...

any reason why they didnt do a stand still launch?

[Jspeed]

Originally Posted by KingAbarth

of cos there are..

I think black accounts to the most while red the least..

back to the topic...

any reason why they didnt do a stand still launch?

It was a friendly race to see how fast the Civic was after tuning. If they launched or even rolling started in 1st gear, the GTR would have won by bus lengths. However, I think the guy who put the video up has his own agenda or did not have the proper info