Mugabe

[turboslippers]

I'm really getting bored of this bloke. Not even the most sympathetic of observers can even begin to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything...the blatancy of his despot regime is comical...as is the rest of the worlds' response. Shame he hasn't got any oil....
Only one sniper bullet...small team, in and out...amazed no one has tried it and justified it as a moral 'sport'

[nismooooooo]

theres no point anyone going there to do anything coz theres no oil to steal im afraid.

[anthonymcgrath]

South Africa have a heck of a lot of coal tho (my father used to work in them when we lived out there) and they also have coal to oil plants that can spit out 160,000 barrels of oil a day. China also have similar plants.

SA have the facilities to create alot of oil BUT its still a tiny drop of America's daily diet (something like 0.5% lol!). Whether it will be pushed further for SA is another question but one things for sure if they do step up production they'll certainly become more "appealing" to greedy eyes overseas. Oil will run out and the nearest thing to it will take its place. It'd be nice to think elec motors would replace it but that doesn't make barrels of money.

[Luckham]

Our rational for not going in and deposing that tosspot Mugabe has nothing to do with the lack of Oil in Zimbabwe..

The reason why we [The west] do not send troops in to take out the existing government is because it would be viewed by the rest of Africa as the old colonial powers interfering with their country again and would cause a lot more harm than good.

[nismooooooo]

and since when has america and uk given a shit about anyone else anyway?

[MostH8D]

i care.


there is alot of hipocracy in politics but i suspect there is more to it than just oil. i could never know because i'm not in the know as are most of you i would guess. its all opinion amongst us, unless there is someone here that has served in high level diplomacy. if you have it would be interesting to hear about the inner workings of the political machine.

maybe if he had wmd's it would be different.

[Cliff J]

Would the UK and USA be even interested in going in to another country now whilst both our nations and people are still interested in debating the "unjust" war in Iraq? Who would be brave enough to make that decision now?
Either way I think the sniper option is superb

[Luckham]

Originally Posted by Cliff J

Would the UK and USA be even interested in going in to another country now whilst both our nations and people are still interested in debating the "unjust" war in Iraq? Who would be brave enough to make that decision now?
Either way I think the sniper option is superb

The only problem with the sniper option is that all of the members of his party are corrupt [& so is the police force no doubt], so even if you do take him out, that's not going to remedy the situation. [Unfortunately].

The problem with military intervention is that you’re dammed if you do & dammed if you don't.

If you go in, guns a blazing, [with a just cause & liberation in mind of course] quite often at the start, public opinion is high & all is good [apart from the fact that it's a war of course.]

Unfortunately however, wars take time & public opinion always wanes before the end game is met.

Conversely ~ If you don't go in and you just watch the torment and the genocide occurring at the sidelines, you are told that you are weak, or that you don't give a sh1t about that particular nation or it’s circumstances.

So either way your fcuked..

[Trev]

Send in Rambo.

Job done

[Luckham]

Originally Posted by nismooooooo

and since when has america and uk given a shit about anyone else anyway?

Please go away.

Originally Posted by Trev

Send in Rambo.

Job done

That's what we do, isn't it?

[R33_GTS-t]

The situation is not black and white - no pun intended. Mugabe was a prick for kicking white land owners off the farms that they'd worked for generations to maintain but NATO were callous pricks for imposing economic sanctions on Zimbabwe that helped cripple the economy. Mugabe is a **** but I can see his motives. He doesn't want a western-backed puppet in charge of his country having, a few decades ago, fought a guerilla war to free it. How would MI5 respond to a Russian/Iranian-backed candidate in the UK? Do you think they'd let them stand in a fair election even if they had strong public support? The answer is, "no they wouldn't."

The best solution in Zimbabwe is an uprising. It will be difficult at first, as the first part must be done without guns but this is not a new concept for brave Africans and has been done before. Simply feed them the active stimulant part of cannabis and...

Electric get flowing and the fun don't stop....
Time to feed Mugabe to the Zulus....
Ro-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-ck!

What needs to happen is for individuals to get together and hang the police in the streets and then drag them down the street with the rope still attached to their neck. They then need to take turns to piss on them and send out a clear message that there is nothing to fear from such overpaid government running dogs.

[Cliff J]

That started out as a rather intelligent and informed post, then suddenly (and it was quite unexpected) turned into mindless violence in the form of a Tarantino film Quality post

[Thrust]

What they need is quality opposition.
Al Jazeera English - Africa - Tsvangirai: Why I pulled out
I've just read this whole article and I cannot understand what Morgan Tsvangirai.. (tough to remember name) is actually saying. Hatred of Mugabe is one thing, and people can agree on that, but R33-GTS-t's suggestion of a plausible opposition makes some sense. Mugabe might even respect a strong opposition!

[Jim27]

Mugabe will just murder strong opposition. He is an evil, wretched, rotten soul and the only solution is to snuff him out and make it look like a natural death. The only problem with that is that one of his minions will step up to the mark and fill his boots. That's why politicians talk about regime change not just bumping someone off. So although on a personal level I can totally sympathise with the desire to see his brains forcibly removed from his skull by a large caliber sniper round in front of TV cameras, it wouldn't solve the overall problem.

I personally wouldn't have a problem with a dictator so long as they could provide for their people and ruled fairly, even if their ascension to power wasn't democratic. Sometimes it's actually BETTER for a nation to have that sort of strong, single-minded leadership. But Mugabe's proven that he's ineffective, a terrible people manager and downright corrupt and murderous.

[R33_GTS-t]

The big problem is that winning an election, or a surgical military removal of a dictatorship does not send a clear enough message. A javelin in a Zanu PF officer’s eye socket. That sends a far clearer message. You quite literally have to scare the regime members out of their uniforms and their units.