Tyres

[skyliner1964]

Originally Posted by Rskyline

To All,

Are any of you experiencing understeer/oversteer sliding effect at 30-50mph with your Bridgestone's S03 on a GTR?

I am currently waiting for Bridgestone to respond.

You feedback is greatly appreciated.

Rich

i had them on my car and had the same problum, changed them for hancok ventus and had no problums for around £80 pound a corner they are excellent value and grip better than my bridgestones

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I've got S03's on my car. Can't say I've noticed and grip/handling issues at all and I drive my car quite hard, but not insanely.
I quite like em', but I've not tried anything else yet.

[Rskyline]

Aitch,

Are you saying that I may have grounds for a refund from Bridgestone?

To be honest I was using Toyos and could not find a set when needed.

I then decided to buy the S03 on same size as the Toyo's.

Bridgestone Engineer came out and discovered my tyre pressures were on the low side.

They recommended 32 psi each tyre - Rising Sun did the tyre pressures (when cold) drove home and nearly crashed! The car was just tramlining all the way bk.

The engineer told me that the tyre was stretched and gave me details regarding this.

He told me that it was possible that the Toyos were slightly wider and even 1mm would make it sit properly on the rim..

I did a search and I found out that TVR was experiencing tramlining at low speed.

If you have any addational details I would be very grateful as I just brought the tyres and just want my money back so i can buy the Toyos.

Richard

[tiggs]

Hi All,

New to the forum as I thinking to buy a 33 gtr and have been watching the Rsykline problem this what I have found out about it.

If the tyre manufacturer recomends a size rim for their own product this must be followed, If you have not followed their guide lines and you have a problem like Rskyline they can legally refuse the claim as you have not fitted to the correct size rim!

If another tyre manufacturer recomends that size it does not mean all manufacturer do.

As from toyo link Toyo Tires - Proxes T1R they only are recomending their product.

I called in to a Kwik fit near me and asked what size rim they would recomend for 255x40x17 running bridgestone s03 and he got a bridgestone pattern book out and looked it up "that size tyre from bridgestone would only recomend a 9" rim" I asked can I go wider to 10" rim he replied "Sorry I can only recomend what bridgestone say also if you put the tyre on a wide rim this would be stretching the tyre tyre to fit and possibly cause's handle problems".

he also gave me a copy of the pattern book dated 2005
I have scanned the page but can not load the picture up.

If you get any thing from Bridgestone I would be very surprised as its a fitment problem and not a problem with the tyre.

Sorry to be negative but I have had a problem we an another tyre manufacturer some time ago and they put the blame on to the tyre dealer who fitted my tyres on to a narrower rim than recomended. They said the dealer should have contacted them if they have not got the information ie tech data books etc.
My dealer told me to #### off and did the manufacturer so I will not use the french tyre company again.

Hope this helps
Tiggs

[Rskyline]

Tiggs,

I have checked independant websites and it states that the 255/40/17 will fit on a 17/10j rim.

One of the sites is the gospal for Tyres and Rims.

Car Bibles : The Wheel and Tyre Bible

I advise you to take a look.

Richard

[tiggs]

Originally Posted by Rskyline

I have checked independant websites and it states that the 255/40/17 will fit on a 17/10j rim.

Richard

Hi Richard,

I have taken a look at your link mentioned and it's a inderpendant web site and not the manufacturer of the product you have and like I said if one manufacturer say's that their tyre's fit that size rim it's not across the board with all manufacturer's.
You have to follow what the manufacturer recomends of the product you have!

For example "you would not go to ford if you have a problem with your nissan and ask ford for tech data about your nissan because ford will laugh at you"

It's the same process with any product you buy and you want data for you must go to the manufacturer of the product you have bought.

Sorry for ranting on.
Tiggs

[R34nur]

I have Bridgestone Potenza RE01 .. awesome grip and perfect tyres for hard driving..have driven 3000miles and god knows how much the previous owner did on them

[Fuggles]

I think it's generally widely regarded that Bridgestones just don't work on Skylines. A lot of people have tried them and they keep coming to the same conclusions. That still leave quite a wide variety however. At the GTROC we are arranging a tyre test to put the most used ones up against each other and see what the results are...........

[Aitch]

RSkyline

If I understand you correctly you have been advised by a so called expert (I hope that wasn't kwikfit as that would be a contradiction in terms) that the tyre(s) you purchased would not fit a wheel which conformed to the range of acceptable wheel widths for that size tyre, as proposed by other manufacturers and reliable expert sources?

I would at least want an explanation from the manufacturer as to why their tyre is so different from others that it so requires a different size wheel. We must focus on the facts here, and the primary fact is that tyres are considered as off the shelf consumables, products suitable and safe for sale to "Non Expert" owners across the counter or online etc..for goodness sake they sell them in supermarkets in many countries!

I am a great believer in the right tools for the job, indeed I can be quite pedantic in that respect, but the notion of extending that to accommodate this scenario is just not on. As you will see from the carbibles tyre section (and other sourses are available) the rules, regulations and visible markings on tyres are international, allowing for conformity and compatibility across the globe, there are not different rules for different manufacturers or even countries. These regulations are in place precisely to reduce the risk of this situation, as it poses a severe safety risk issue.

I know that some vehicle makers will specify a certain tyre where suspension geometry etc has been optimised for that tyre, but to accept this scenario would be descending into farce.

So, to avoid any ambiguity I've just spoken to a local independant tyre and wheel only specialists, they have two depots which have operated locally for over 30 years. They sell only quality tyres and wheels and a lowering service with full suspension geometry adjustment service, they fully understand the core subject. They are highly thought of and considered to be "the people" for tyre knowledge in this area. I put the question to them, "is it the case that tyres of the same size parameters but from different manufacturers might require different wheel sizes, specifically different wheel widths"?

They gave that notion a categoric definitely not! To even begin to consider the possibility of that scenario, at least for normal road tyres, would create thousands of additional fitting permutations. It would push up the cost of both tyres and fitting to extraordinary levels, most drivers would have to run on the rims! It would in fact have the potential to create dangerous conditions for thousands of drivers, even common sense logic dictates it's a silly notion.

Tyres are made to a series of patterns, the parameters for which were set and accepted by ALL manufactuers for road tyres worldwide, same in India as in America or Japan or New Zealand. A tyre produced by any manufacturer for sale to the public MUST abide by those principle rules of fitment, quality and performance are the only permitted variables.

I suspect there's been some misunderstanding here, I would go back to square one and examine the events to seek the answer.

Aitch

[Rskyline]

The issue deepens!!!

I have spoken to bridgestone and they are now prepared to refund the money that the garage has paid to the Wholesaler and not to me!

This put me totally out of pocket for something that is totally not my fault.

I have stated to Bridgestone that there is nowhere to check for tyres sizes against rims on their website and that independant websites was an alternative source of information.

My garage that sold me the tyres suspect it came from Europe - This means that bridgestone will not give a credit note as they are UK Based.

All,
Do you think that the Garage that supplied me the tyres is at fault under 'duty of care'?

OR

Bridgestone for not informing the garage of this fault, nor supplying or having the information available to the customer? (not even a message to contact bridgestone technical on thier unavailable website)?

I cant drive my car, and its got to the point that i just want rid of the damn tyres.

Why should I have to pay for another set of tyres?????? AND wait for a refund that could take upto 6 weeks?

I feel I have been treated unfairly, I have provided the information at hand to Bridgestone - I feel they should just take the tyres off me and provide me the correct size.

I have even given them an opportunity to provide the 265/40/17's on the SO'3 just to make a point about the sizes and each the transation thru - but Bridgestone declined stating that they cannot recommend a tyre to fit a Nissan Skyline GTR33 with a 17x10j Rim.

Your thoughts please!!!!

[Aitch]

So if bridgestone cannot recommend a tyre from their range for your motor the dealer is obviously at fault for doing just that!

Secondly, it sounds to me as though the dealer has sold you grey import tyres..I think I'd be advising the dealer that if you do not have a refund within 24 hours you will be leaving the matter in the hands of the trading standards office, and do it, they love coming down on these cowboys, it gives them an ego lift!

Incidentally, I hope everyone's noting just how helpful this dealer and the manufacturer are being here, neither deserve business from Skyline owners methinks, but of course that won't matter to Bridgestone as they by their own admission don't have suitable tyres for serious wheels anyway.

Aitch

[Rskyline]

Tiggs,

You care to comment?

[tiggs]

Rich,

Looking to what you have said the bridgestone is willing to credit the dealer's wholesaler if they are based in the uk! in which I believe is the correct way about it.

You don't go direct to the manufacturer as you did not buy direct! the dealer has made their money and so has the wholesaler has made their's too.

The manufacturer will credit the wholesaler then they will credit the dealer then the dealer will credit you.

If the manufacturer credits the w/saler 100% of their cost per tyre and then they should credit the dealer 100% of the cost to them per tyre and so on..... the manufacturer can not give you 100% back becasuse that will be more than what they sold them for.

So you you should not be out of pocket in the long run!

You have said,

Do you think that the Garage that supplied me the tyres is at fault under 'duty of care'?

OR

Bridgestone for not informing the garage of this fault, nor supplying or having the information available to the customer? (not even a message to contact bridgestone technical on thier unavailable website)?

The dealer is your first point of contact as they sold you the product.

By what has been said in this post about your problem it's not a tyre fault it's a fitment problem and if bridgestone is offering to have the tyre's back and credit the w/saler-dealer(if not grey imports) you have had a good deal offered by them.

Also,

1, Did you ask the dealer for 255/40/17 bridgestone.

If so they have only supplied what you have asked for.

2, Is it the same dealer you bought the tyre's from fitted them?

If so they should have pointed out when fitting them that they are stretched on the rim's, If it's not the same dealer you bought them from they should of pointed it out too.

And for bridgestone not having a contact them on their website??
Even so the dealer would have the information or could contact bridgestone on you behalf and get the correct info. Like I said I called into Kwikfit near me and they had a data book they gave me and some good advise.

Also about the tyre's poss being grey imports it's down to the dealer and wholesaler to sort out. You can not expect the Uk sale's of the manufacturer to credit something they did not sell.

As for asking them to change over the product for a bigger size I guest for FOC! I would of thought they would say no.

As for them declining recommending a different tyre!

Why is that?

1, Is it because they can only recommend a standard tyre size for your vehicle.

2, Is your vehicle been modified? Wheels..Yes, suspenion ?, engine ? etc. and that probabley why they have declined because of the vehicle being modified.

Looking to the end of the problem bridgestone uk have offered to take the tyre's back(if sold by them to a uk w/saler-dealer) and give a credit to the w/saler to pass on to the dealer and then to you I assume under a act of goodwill.

Why don't you have a word with the dealer and find out if they are grey imports if not they are not grey imports this will be sorted out in the long run.

If they are grey imports ask the dealer if he has an account with an uk w/saler to put the credit through.(what bridgestone don't know wont hurt!)

Hope this helps

All the best
Tiggs

[Rskyline]

Hi Tiggs,

Thanks for the detailed response -

I am curretly waiting for a response from the Garage that supplied me the tyres.

Currently Bridgestone have done and stated what they intend to do - its now up to the Garage that supplied them to me.

To answer I asked for a set of 255/40/17's - the garage supplied and fitted these at the same time.

The Grey Import issue - I am still awaiting a response from the garage that supplied me the tyres.


Watch this space!

Rich

[Aitch]

I think Tiggs has pretty well covered the angles..it's now a waiting process, unfortunately it doesn't get you a correct set of tyres right now. I think any vendor worthy of your business should (and most would) in this situation refund you immediately, but that's based on your version of events (no slight intended) as we don't have the garage's story, so comments must be tempered with fairness in light of that.

Aitch