What does it take to beat an ENZO?

[R33_GTS-t]

What if the wheels stay upright and the bike leans?

[gavman]

Originally Posted by kismetcapitan

Anyways, back on topic. I think it would be pretty straightforward to build a GT-R Enzo beater. R32 shell. Stripped interior. OS Giken drivetrain (3 liter block plus 6 speed sequential), GT-RS turbos. Lots of suspension work - the parts are all there, no one seems to order them though (pillowball tension rods are, next to my turbos, the most important upgrade I've made). Some direct port wet nitrous, not a whole lot, for 1000-4000rpm, just in 1st, 2nd, maybe a little in 3rd gear, just to get the Disco Potatoes cookin' and dancin'.

And why the R32 as a base? It's so blindingly obvious....the R32 is the best handling GT-R, it's got the most race-tuning experience and data behind it, and it's the lightest GT-R. You could negate the weight advantage of the Ferrari, and then just need 200-300 more hp to ovecome aerodynamic issues.

finally someone takes the R34 blinkers off!

you've just described my car (disco potatoes and all, although the OS88 'box is going in at xmas), and i can tell you that the nitrous isn't required, i'm making 1bar just past 3000rpm

i've never driven or raced an enzo so i don't know how i'd fare, but i've a friend who races superbikes and he states that his bike couldn't stay with me, not just on grip but on top end go

like you say, it would only be on aerodynamics that the enzo would have a real advantage

[Rich B]

5th gear next monday i believe.. lambo vs bike on track...

[gavman]

Originally Posted by gavman

it would only be on aerodynamics that the enzo would have a real advantage

in speed/acceleration, i meant

i won't deny the obvious advantage of being mid-engined

[lightningmcnult]

I think that anything is possible, and possibly not that difficult, lets not forget the massive benefit of 4wd. And if you can do anything you want to improve the car it should be easy enough to catch an enzo.

p.s. A motorcycle tyres contact patch is larger during cornering...

[Undutched]

Let me throw in a quote:

"They did it, because they didn't know it was impossible" - Mark Twain

So I'll say the Skyline does have a go!

[Grex]

I believe anything is possible, at the end of the day its only a chassis and some rubber whether its a Enzo or a GTR.
I rekon with enough mods and proper setup/mapping and testing you could get a GTR to hammer an Enzo.. Problem is in my opinion is becomes a little unfair because we're talking about a stock Enzo... if we modified an Enzo to the same degree as the skyline im sure the Enzo would win because its got so much more potential aero dynamics and cubic capacity of the engine for starters, no laggy turbos.
You'd also need a lot more brute force with the GTR to beat the aero dynamic handicap the Enzo has, round a track that is.

If we're talking 1/4 mile drag then there are countless skylines knocking around which are already alot quicker than an Enzo.

[Nocturnal]

Originally Posted by Grex

I believe anything is possible, at the end of the day its only a chassis and some rubber whether its a Enzo or a GTR.
I rekon with enough mods and proper setup/mapping and testing you could get a GTR to hammer an Enzo.. Problem is in my opinion is becomes a little unfair because we're talking about a stock Enzo... if we modified an Enzo to the same degree as the skyline im sure the Enzo would win because its got so much more potential aero dynamics and cubic capacity of the engine for starters, no laggy turbos.
You'd also need a lot more brute force with the GTR to beat the aero dynamic handicap the Enzo has, round a track that is.

If we're talking 1/4 mile drag then there are countless skylines knocking around which are already alot quicker than an Enzo.

If we modify a GTR with the same amount of money as a modified Enzo, I am sure the GTR will still win. Can you imagine what a GTR will look like if you toss £500K to it...

[Durzel]

I must admit I don't understand threads like this.

If by "beat" you simply mean "in a straight line" then there are plenty of cars that when tuned will keep up with a Ferrari Enzo.

If simple raw straight line speed is all one cares about then there are plenty of other cars lighter than a Skyline that will do the job just as well if not better.

My thinking on things like this is that even if a given car was faster than a Ferrari (or other supercar), there's much more to the car than simply its speed. By the same token if someone bodged in two engines in a Golf to keep up with a Skyline (which has been done) are Golfs by definition "better cars?"... nope.

Someone who buys a Ferrari is likely to do so either because of the status it projects, but also as recognition of the entire package. As great as Skylines are - they're really only regular cars with a powerful engine, they're not supercars.

Just my 2p... I love Skylines and Ferraris in equal measure, but for different reasons

[gavman]

Originally Posted by Grex

I rekon with enough mods and proper setup/mapping and testing you could get a GTR to hammer an Enzo.. Problem is in my opinion is becomes a little unfair because we're talking about a stock Enzo... if we modified an Enzo to the same degree as the skyline im sure the Enzo would win because its got so much more potential aero dynamics and cubic capacity of the engine for starters, no laggy turbos.
.

but is the engine as tuneable?
my impression is that the tolerances on a ferrarri engine are tight; you don't hear about so many blown fezzas, do you?
this was part of the skyline's appeal, the pre cad design of the cast-iron engine?

Durzel, i think all we're doing is guessing if we could stay with/lose an enzo driven by a driver with similiar ability, hardly likely in the real world and just a bit of harmless fun...

[Sidious]

I dont see this thread acheiving anything other than to publicise fanboy pipe-dreams.

Ferrari 50+ years in motorsport experience in a supercar that is hand built, passes modern crash and emissions testing vs a back yard tuner with HK$ parts, hmmm.

How would you guys feel if a Honda Civic forum had a thread where people asked what it took to beat a Nismo GTR Z-Tune?

[gavman]

Originally Posted by Sidious

How would you guys feel if a Honda Civic forum had a thread where people asked what it took to beat a Nismo GTR Z-Tune?

wouldn't bother me in the slightest- good luck to them, is what i'd say
can't really see where you're coming from, sidious

ferrarris are overhyped and overpriced, and are compromised like any other car- the crash and emissions tests that you so rightly point out for example
there is nothing magic or unbeatable about a ferrari, it's just a car built to a particular spec, and plenty of gtr's on here are built to a higher spec

[matt j]

Not quite an Enzo, but..

The guy down the road from me just picked this up last Saturday;



What will it take for me to beat him...
lol

[Kanzen]

Originally Posted by matt j

Not quite an Enzo, but..

The guy down the road from me just picked this up last Saturday;

What will it take for me to beat him...
lol

Can I interest Sir in a Mine's engine?

That's stunning, and the SLR in the background isn't too shabby either !

[ericgtr]

cant wait to test with 1....