What does it take to beat an ENZO?

[fr0sty]

1. RB34DETT or some rb30 based stroker to keep torque threw the whole rev range

2. different gear ratio's .. fast shifting threw 1st to 4th

3. suspension and chassis tightening of course..

4. lower the weight of the car ...

+ loads of aerodynamic works

+ dont forget to hire the drift king himself to challenge the enzo with the freshly built gtr beat

[kismetcapitan]

having run through this today, to beat one under 1/8 of a mile, I estimate one needs:

1) dead-perfect launch skills, as good as a computer.
2) about 800bhp of turbo kicking in and staying within that powerband to make a solid pass.

It's not impossible, but it requires a lot of power to overcome crappy GT-R aerodynamics, a serious boost kick (or nitrous hit), and most of all, skill. Launch control has gotten very good on several modern cars. We may pooh-pooh it as non-purist, but the fact is that it'll beat a manual shifter and the best clutchwork off the line. The Enzo driver merely needs to engage the LC button, then floor it and hang on. Sad, but true.

[francium]

put the stig in my r33 that should do it.

[gavman]

Originally Posted by kismetcapitan

having run through this today, to beat one under 1/8 of a mile, I estimate one needs:

1) dead-perfect launch skills, as good as a computer.
2) about 800bhp of turbo kicking in and staying within that powerband to make a solid pass.

It's not impossible, but it requires a lot of power to overcome crappy GT-R aerodynamics, a serious boost kick (or nitrous hit), and most of all, skill. Launch control has gotten very good on several modern cars. We may pooh-pooh it as non-purist, but the fact is that it'll beat a manual shifter and the best clutchwork off the line. The Enzo driver merely needs to engage the LC button, then floor it and hang on. Sad, but true.

all you needed to do was swerve hard towards him.....

[R33_GTS-t]

All you need is a really big stick.

[MacGTR]

Originally Posted by gavman

all you needed to do was swerve hard towards him.....

LOL, he sure would have got the hell out the way.

[R33_GTS-t]

Carbon fibre does love to shatter.

[R33_GTS-t]

[Addicted2Boost]

There are many examples of JDMs performing just as well as expensive exotics.

You guys may or may not remember the EVO 8 FQ400... only with 400bhp, was compared to the Zonda. And it was couple of years ago so please no abuse saying im totally wrong, but in the comparison, it accelerated faster and if not mistaken, i think it was either faster or only a few seconds slower around the nurburing (exucse spelling).

Also the example in top gear where even with Stig at the wheel, it was again faster or a few sec off the lambo murcielago that has wider tires, more power, bigger brakes, wider track etc... And with clarkson was pretty even against that pro touring car driver. Sorry about the memory, but my point is that way cheaper JDMs are very capable cars around the track. That FQ400 costs quite a bit, but any tuner in NZ i know for sure can get a normal EVO8 performaning jst as well for alot cheaper.

I have no doubt that a modded R34 GTR will be faster in straight line as well as around the track. And prob not even a crazy modded one either...

[kismetcapitan]

500-600bhp on a Skyline gets you in the game (but not past an Enzo), and not insanely modded, but you do have to upgrade just about every system in the engine bay - cracking open the engine is optional at this power level.

Start in on the 800+bhp Skylines, and you're running 0-100kph as fast as a Hayabusa. It only took an 800bhp (flywheel) Supra to out-accelerate an Enzo on a freeway race up through terminal speed. And I think it goes without saying that Mick's Super Lemon can keep pace with a Veyron quite easily - and if his next endeavor proves successful, he'll have a proven road-legal non-stripped car with a higher top speed as well.

[zell]

Nurburgring Track Times - Supercars.net

no Enzo, but if it's about the same as 430 and definitely worse than a Zonda F it won't be a match to a new GTR, not to mention a tuned track ready R32 (let's say former japanese A Group, AFAIR those cars where about 600hp - but that car's probably worth more than 60k USD)
Enzo is a road legal car that has to abide to some rules, if it is to be allowed to drive on the roads, that means that it must have some features that make it more friendly to the road users and others. It's also a rich man's car so it has to have some driver aids (some... not many, but track oriented cars have none).
And now we come to the thing connecting the steering wheel and the seat, the driver. Even if you have a very, very fast car it doesn't mean you'll be faster on the track. I, for example beat a M3 BMW (dated mid 90's) with my daily driver, a 160 hp Mazda 3, on the track and it's not the only more powerfull car that came after me. While the Enzo is a F1 car for someone rich enough to buy one, it isn't as easy to drive as other Ferraris (more daily commute oriented). I'm sure you all saw a video or two of how to crash an enzo. This is where the GTR comes to mind, it's a car that is said to be one of the fastest thing to drive for a normal driver, not a race car driver. I remember an article where I read that some reporters where testing a GTR at the 'Ring and a race car driver in a Porsche couldn't pass them and gave up (or the car gave up, I don't remember well).

Beating an Enzo is a combination of a good driver and a good car, beating an Enzo with a good driver is being as good as him and having a well prepared car. It's not impossible but a 60kUSD price tag is just stupid because the result depands on too many factors.

[kismetcapitan]

I don't know, Enzos are very quick at least in a straight line. I've seen the real-life performance of a majority of cars on that list, and my R32 was in the same league. The Enzo was a notch above - at least in the 1/8th mile or so that we ran.

But I do find that a glaring omission - that the Enzo has never been run on the Nurburgring. Could it be that it really wouldn't be any faster than an F430. Even if it ran 7'30", it would take away from the mystique surrounding the car. Even Bugatti ran the course and took their 7'40" time, showing it's not the fastest overall car in the world.

[kismetcapitan]

and in crashing Enzos, one moron in Korea managed to crash and write off his in the most impossible of places - the passenger pickup lane at the airport. Serves him right, I say.

[Addicted2Boost]

Originally Posted by kismetcapitan

and in crashing Enzos, one moron in Korea managed to crash and write off his in the most impossible of places - the passenger pickup lane at the airport. Serves him right, I say.

I was just reading through one of ur locked posts on u racing that ENZO!! hahaha, well done, man wud have loved to ride passenger or better yet give it a ago myself.

Very interesting thread that... locked down i can see by admins for obvious reasons... was totally getting off topic. But yeah i was just totally confused and suprised by the response to what ppl were writing on that. Fark no question in my mind what i wud do if someone pulled up wid an enzo or any exotic for that matter was reving wanting a go and had a clear road in front. But yea i wud be pissed off after tho if some ego filled arseH*le said the same thing afterwards tho.

And for f*Ck sakes, not every day u get to pull up next to an ENZO not to mention even seeing one... would have posted up the same thing... u shudda took a quick pic wid ur fone LOL

Having been in a few close calls tho, scares the shit out of me speeding, so i hardly ever do it on the road.

But to be honest, ur R32 seems pretty worked, with a good launch, surely u wudda had him!! isnt it just a 11sec flat 1/4 mile car the enzo??

LOL, here in NZ, u can get a Mitsi EVO 1/2/3s with just $7-$8K NZD or 3K quid worth of mods that will happily runs 10sec... give it run for its money thats for sure!

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by kismetcapitan

I don't know, Enzos are very quick at least in a straight line. I've seen the real-life performance of a majority of cars on that list, and my R32 was in the same league. The Enzo was a notch above - at least in the 1/8th mile or so that we ran.

But I do find that a glaring omission - that the Enzo has never been run on the Nurburgring. Could it be that it really wouldn't be any faster than an F430. Even if it ran 7'30", it would take away from the mystique surrounding the car. Even Bugatti ran the course and took their 7'40" time, showing it's not the fastest overall car in the world.

Ferrari always have a habbit of bottling out of serious competition when it comes to their road cars. They seem to be a bit scared that their superman image will be fractured. I think 7min30s would be more or less on the money for an Enzo but if they don't run it, they don't shatter owners delusions of a 7min15s lap.