Mugabe

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Trev

That's where mine and millions of people views differ from yours then!

Being dragged into a voting station and FORCED to vote is not being DEMOCRATIC!

IT'S A F*****G DICTATORSHIP!!!

FFS.

At the risk of being pedantic they have just held an election, they are therefore a democracy. How they conduct that election is a different matter as I have said.

Its a subtle point but enough to prevent intervention from the West as the US doesnot want to be put in the position of invading and deposing a democratically elected leader, just because he's a bit of a murdering bar steward. If slaughtering your own people was grounds for international action we'd be at war with a good deal of central and South America, Africa and parts of Asia.

I would wager that a number of countries in the region are happy for Mugabe to keep doing his thing because it takes the spotlight off them.

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Sean

At the risk of being pedantic they have just held an election, they are therefore a democracy. How they conduct that election is a different matter as I have said.

Okay, last time.....is holding a gun to someones head and TELLING them to vote, democratic?

NO!

Letting people have a CHOICE is what is called a democracy.....

Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dictator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^^ Take a read ^^^

It's not hard to understand.

[Sean]

Sorry Trev - I'll bow to your superior use of Wikipedia

[nSanity]

Yeah i dont think he was saying its not a dictatorship, but rather thats how the 'west' would view it... since they had something that at least resembled a democratic election... hence why the west will never invade Zimbabwe (one of the reasons at least).

[Trev]

Originally Posted by Sean

Sorry Trev - I'll bow to your superior use of Wikipedia

Don't forget, common sense

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by Trev

Okay, last time.....is holding a gun to someones head and TELLING them to vote, democratic?

NO!

Letting people have a CHOICE is what is called a democracy.....

Democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dictator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^^ Take a read ^^^

It's not hard to understand.

Unfortunately that's Wikipedia and not a dictionary.

Democracy - government by elected representatives.

People always have a choice but sometimes the choice is made more difficult. It's a null point anyway, the guy's a cnut.

[beaumackenzie]

i make no apologise for my view.

there are two people on this planet who need assassanating. osama bin laden and robert mugabe.......some might say what about george w bush....hes no threat to anyone hes a ****wit, an brain less idiot, he cant even deliver the punch line in a joke properly while giving a speech to a heap of students just graduated from uni', its the people behind him who make the decisions. send two sniper treams, one to africa and one into the middle east and drop a nuke on the white house and all the world will live in peace for once.

how ever thats a dream too. ............................heres some truth for you all




in africa politics doesnt work democraticly and never will why you ask?

the will of a majority must prevail but the intrests of the minority must be protected..the african only knows and understands one principle.....

winner takes all and let the minority go to the wall? africa is tribal the zulu's will always win a democratic election in africa because they are the largest tribe, and the largest majority, there kingdom has always and will always be like this untill such time that the continent of africa is of all one creed there will never be peace.

if all the blacks in america were given white faces they still think of themselves as americans

if all the blacks in africa were given white faces they would not think themselves as whites or africans, they still think they are zulu's, xhoss's, and vendas, and we will still be europeans. very little will be altered....

qoute Cecil Rhodes one of the last great visionarys of last century.

and this is why there will never be peace, because the zulu's will always forseeably have the power while the smaller tribes will always fight it. there is only one tribe who wont they are the moshona(eaters of dirt.....or moles) who live in the monotapata mountains as there is a sacred ledgend that prevent the zulu tribes going near them

[Grex]

Originally Posted by Sean

At the risk of being pedantic they have just held an election, they are therefore a democracy. How they conduct that election is a different matter as I have said.

How can it be a democracy, where the opposition party(s) have been forced to withdraw through violence?

How can it be a democracy, where people who don't vote for Mugabe, get hunted down and beaten to death?

How can it be a democracy, where Mugabe uses food and medicine as a political tool, so only the public can get it from ZANU-PF sources?

On the face of it they're calling it a democratic process, but its far from anything democratic.

Originally Posted by Sean

Its a subtle point but enough to prevent intervention from the West as the US doesnot want to be put in the position of invading and deposing a democratically elected leader, just because he's a bit of a murdering bar steward. If slaughtering your own people was grounds for international action we'd be at war with a good deal of central and South America, Africa and parts of Asia.

The international community including America, have declared Mugabe's campaign as totally false, and when he is re-elected, his government will have no recognition, he will not be regarded as a president by anyone.

Besides, we are fighting battles with many other countries who butcher their own people, ever heard of the UN peacekeeping missions?

[Trev]

Originally Posted by R33_GTS-t

Unfortunately that's Wikipedia and not a dictionary.

Democracy - government by elected representatives.

People always have a choice but sometimes the choice is made more difficult. It's a null point anyway, the guy's a cnut.

3 things...

1. Wikipedia gives a FAR better explanation of things than a dictionary.

2. Mugabe took over and as yet has not been able to be voted out (due to killing all the other candidates and oposed voters.

3. Nobody there has a choice, unless they prefer death.

[beaumackenzie]

cont'd ...the one mistake mugabe made was kicking out the white farmers, yes, they were a minority, but as stated above even the majority must look out for the interests of a minority, because in this case the minority created over 90% if not more of zimbabwe's GDP. had he left the farmers alone he would not only be in power, but his country would be rich, because after eithiopia zimbabwe was the next biggest producer of foodstuffs on the african contenent.

yes the white farmers had control of the land, but atleast the natives of that country had employment and got paid for it, atleast that country had an income, if mugabe had let them be, and told them the land now belongs to me, what he should have done is charged the white farmers a lease untill such time as said farmer retired and or left the land then it could be claimed back. NATO wouldnt have got involved. but too late for that,

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Trev

Don't forget, common sense

I didn't

[flib1]

I don't think Sean is saying its a free and fair democratic system, he's just pointing out that the country has elections for its leader, however corrupt they may be, therefore no western power will intervene however morally destitute the situation becomes.
Zimbabwe is a problem that has to be sorted out by other African nations. Our intervention will only make things worse.

[Stachi]

Can we all aggree on that Mugabe needs a .308 Winchester, .338 Lapua Magnum, .50BMG or any other preferred snipers bullet between his eyes?

How can he think that the rest of the free world will accept what he is doing?

Marc

[R33_GTS-t]

Originally Posted by Trev

3 things...

1. Wikipedia gives a FAR better explanation of things than a dictionary.

Nnnno.

Originally Posted by Trev

2. Mugabe took over and as yet has not been able to be voted out (due to killing all the other candidates and oposed voters.

I quite agree.

Originally Posted by Trev

3. Nobody there has a choice, unless they prefer death.

Sometimes the choice is hard. Nobody is saying that Mugabe is a fair man but unfortunately he has just ran a democratic election. Not a 'fair and democratic' election as you often hear quoted, but a democratic one nonetheless.

Originally Posted by flib1

free and fair democratic system

That's the term. A free and fair democratic system is a world apart from a merely democratic system. Then there's a free and fair democratic system with completely independent, mutually exclusive parties. Very, very few countries operate the latter.

[MostH8D]

sometimes the choice is hard...

are you kidding?

dialogue:

thug: vote for mugabe or die!
innocent: no
thug: (bang)
innocent: (i'm dead)

where'd the vote for the opposition go? no choices made.

yes, i do like a bit of roleplay every now and again.