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Old 22nd March 2012, 12:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Stage 1 from Middlehurst or Litchfield?

Having looked through the forum the re-map of the engine, transmission and then Y pipe is clearly a no brainer. My car is due a service and has concierge, so it seems easy to book it into Middlehurst Motorsport and have them service and upgrade... but then I see that Litchfield can service the car and keep the warranty valid. Anyone got any experience of using Middlehurst for upgrades or any thoughts on using a non-Nissan dealer to service the car?

Itís my first mod on the car so Iím grateful for any advice.
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I am in a similar dilemma, but I also live much closer to Middlehurst. Do Litchfield offer the concierge service too?

I am planning on leaving the mods until after the 36k service as I want to make sure any potential warranty issues are identified and resolved first, so I may go to Middlehurst for the service and to Litchfield for the re-maps and pipe later.
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As far as I know, Middlehursts only do the Nismo upgrades, the ECU one appearing to be an expensive waste of time. I htink Zed Ed had his done, so might well chip in and will be better informed through experience.

Litchfield stage 1 means y pipe and remap using Ecutek software. I had it done about 12 months ago and was amazed at the result. You can really feel a big difference in power and torque and the y pipe makes the car sound great. Since then I've gone to Litchfield stage 2, which means going to full Milltek exhaust (excluding downpipes) and iirc K&N filters, with an adjusted map. Again, this works absolutley great and slightly quietens exhaust note, which is handy if you want to do trackdays. Also, worth getting the my11 gearbox software upgrade done at the same time, assuming you have an 09 or 10 car. It is loads smoother (I couldn't tell much difference at first but 2 months on it feels silky smooth - changes are way better than on the 09 software).

As you may have guessed by now, I'm a big fan of the Litchfield setup - Iain is great guy who has built his business on attention to detail and complete honesty. I have never heard a bad word spoken about the way he goes about things and would wholheartedly recommend him for both servicing and tuning work.

That said, I have never used Middlehurst, but I know Iain views them as the best HPC. Just not sure they are big on the tuning side.

Re concierge service - this is an HPC only thing. I believe Litchfield will offer a collection and delivery but presume this comes at extra charge. I perosnally prefer to take a day off and drive down - it's worth the trip to see the setup and you get a good few hours to enjoy the mods on the way home.
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Have a word with Gary at Middlehursts as i know they are authorised Ecutek dealers. Yes they have kept away from modifying cars under warranty - whether this will be the case in the future i dont know.
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I am in a similar dilemma, but I also live much closer to Middlehurst. Do Litchfield offer the concierge service too?

I am planning on leaving the mods until after the 36k service as I want to make sure any potential warranty issues are identified and resolved first, so I may go to Middlehurst for the service and to Litchfield for the re-maps and pipe later.
Not sure how many miles a year you do...but good luck with that
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Old 22nd March 2012, 02:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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misters3 - I do about 6k - 7k miles per year so I expect it will have only reached 15k miles when it is time for the 36 month / 36k mile service
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micky - this is really helpful, thanks. I had planned on not modding until the warranty expired as I that will give me time to know the car and make sure any serious items are resolved before it runs out.

Let's see if I can hold off that long though

You mentioned that the quieter exhaust noise helps with track days - I assume this is because some tracks have a noise limit. Of the events I have this year Goodwood has imposed a 98db limit. Have you any idea if stock exhaust, y-pipe or full milltek breach this?
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misters3 - I do about 6k - 7k miles per year so I expect it will have only reached 15k miles when it is time for the 36 month / 36k mile service
Snap....i lasted about 18 months!!
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Have a word with Gary at Middlehursts as i know they are authorised Ecutek dealers. Yes they have kept away from modifying cars under warranty - whether this will be the case in the future i dont know.
Yeah i spoke to Gary this AM he was very knowledgeable and helpful. He offered me stage one (re-map for engine, gearbox and Y pipe) for £1500-£1600 ish. I like the idea of using a Nissan dealer to do the work and it gets the stamp for the service as Nissan but I cant help wondering if the Litchfield stage 1 would be the same or better?
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micky - this is really helpful, thanks. I had planned on not modding until the warranty expired as I that will give me time to know the car and make sure any serious items are resolved before it runs out.

Let's see if I can hold off that long though

You mentioned that the quieter exhaust noise helps with track days - I assume this is because some tracks have a noise limit. Of the events I have this year Goodwood has imposed a 98db limit. Have you any idea if stock exhaust, y-pipe or full milltek breach this?
Sorry, can't really give you reliable guidance on this. There's a bit more discussion on noice levels here:

https://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/162236-exhaust.html

Lots of other threads too so maybe try a search. I'd speak to Iain Litchfield - he might be bale to give you an idea of the ratings of the different options. However, I know from experience that Milltek y pipe with stock catback is loud (sounds great, but loud!). And 98db is quite a low limit so I would not be surprised if a y pipe only setup failed. I;m not aware of anyone saying they have had noise limit problems with the full Milltek though, but obviously it's another chunk of cash that you may prefer not to spend.

Rich GT on here does a lot at Goodwood if a remember - maybe send him a PM and see what setup he has?

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Hi , bring it to us , we are EcuTek and Cobb dealers and can carry out the service to Nissan specification.

Cars are tuned on the dyno , so every car is mapped not just a generic map uploaded.

Look at our Abbey forum for service prices and I am sure we can pick the car up as well, or you can use one of our courtesy cars, might even let you have a driv ein our Dig T Juke.
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Old 22nd March 2012, 03:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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MickV - thanks for the pointer. That is a helpful post along with some others.

Mark - I will give it a look, thanks.
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Interesting that MH are doing ecutek R35 tunes now; I'd not heard that.

The Nismo ecu is pretty subtle in terms of outright performance. If you want grunt, get a stage; if you want a warrantied change to how the car drives, go Nismo.

Y-pipe alone may make you marginal on some trackdays. Ought to pass muster at a 105db day though. I had a y-pipe for a while and it measured 102db static ( at Combe ) Full miltek system is quieter. My stock exhaust measured 91db static at Bedford, by comparison. If you want to track then you need to think about exhaust noise when adding aftermarket pipes. If it sounds large on the road, chances are you won't get on track or will be sent home for a drive-by noise crime.

Stock R35 does 90db drive-by at Silverstone, for example
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Ring them both and then go to Litchfields !!!

I posted a load of stuff about Y pipes and Track days when I got my car 2008, the standard Y pipe will not allow you on some tracks so best to go for the complete Miltek SS exhaust system, bigger bore, helps turbo's spool up quicker and the car breath more easily + will get you on ALL circuits !
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That harsh Steve as you have had your car at Abbey after it wasn't tuned right.

Do you think we don't know what we are doing tuning these R35GTR's , We have been around a while tuning car even tuning Stock Nissan ECU's far longer than a lot of people.
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errr, talking about the R35 aren't we ?

Dam it - forgot that you now do R35's !! My apologies !
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1 tracked mind I see.

I been tuning stock Gen 1 to Gen 4 Nissan ECU;s for over 3 years now days , tuning 350/370Z after adding turbo's and big BHP N?A cars , from what I have seen/used on both EcuTek and Cobb ( not used Cobb yet as I have just ordered the software) it isnt rocket science as we have a lot of experience tuning turbo cars on our in house Dynapack dyno.

Drop up in you R35GTR Steve , you can have a free run on the dyno when we discuss the work on your 33GTR/
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whatever you choose I would certainly have a custom map...not a fan of generic maps one bit...just my 2p worth...dont have my R35 yet but I have always opted for custom maps on my previous Skylines...as soo as I get mine it will be dyno/live mapped ..
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