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Old 14th January 2015, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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GTR attempted theft and a warning.

First of all, I am not putting this thread up to worry anyone but merely to warn folk of what has happened to me and could potentially happen to them.

As you may know my car is up for sale. Yesterday I got a call from a Asain bloke who expressed an interest in the car and asked if he could pop out in the evening. I replied that would be fine - I was in all evening. He turned up to look at the car and seemed interested in it, saying that he had just been let down on a GTR and was keen to get in one. He looked inside, asked me to start it up and asked numerous questions. It all seemed fairly genuine. He also asked me to lock and unlock the car using the fob and also tested to see that that exterior locks next to the door handles were working. He checked the history and stated that he wanted to buy the car and was going to perform an HPI check today. I said fine.

At 3:00am this morning, me and the Mrs heard the unmistakable sound of my beloved car roar into life. We flew to the bedroom window which overlooks the driveway and sure enough, someone had entered the car, started it up and was reversing down the driveway. We ran downstairs. By the time we got to the front door, the car was at the bottom of the drive way and was making its way up the private road (there are four houses on a little Close) and onto the main road. We stood briefly screaming and shouting before I ran back in and immediately got on the phone to the police. My Mrs being the superhero in disguise that she is, climbed into our diesal Mondeo and went down the road to see if she could see the car. Low and behold, the thief had abandoned the GTR literally 10 meters from the entrance of our road and had got out and legged it. Katy climbed in the car turned it around and pulled it back onto our driveway. The police came 10 minutes later and took a statement and we have the crime scene lot turning up at some stage today to take fingerprints etc, although I guess nothing will come of it. The only positive side is we are both ok and the car is completely unmarked. Why he decided to abandon the car is a mystery. Perhaps he underestimated how loud it was when started from cold and got a bit worried after we witnessed him pulling onto the driveway. Also, the car had very little petrol in it (around 20 miles displayed on the trip computer) so perhaps he thought he would not get too far. Whatever the case, the car is now safe and has been moved to another secure location.

I contacted Sly at Kaizer Motor this morning and it seems that what bloke had done was get me to lock and unlock the car whilst a device in his pocket was recording my car's key code data. This was then uploaded to a new key which he used to steal the car. Perhaps I am a bit naive but I was shocked at how easy this is to do! No need to break and enter to steal the key - just clone it and away you go. Again, perhaps my suspicions should have been aroused when he got me to lock and unlock the car with the fob but what can you do when someone comes to view your car? You have to be open and prepared to show them around the vehicle to a certain degree. It never entered my head that he was up to something and as car theft is not really something I know a great deal about I guess it wouldn't do!

As I say, I am not trying to scare anyone but just warning them to watch out for scams like this if they are selling their cars. Sadly I did not get the registration of the vehicle this guy turned up in. In hindsight I should have done but again, how cautious do you have to be everytime someone shows up to view your car? Photos and fingerprints taken from all viewers!

To sum up, me, the missus and the car are all OK and the thieving bastard failed in his mission to deprive me of my pride and joy that I worked my balls off for. Shame.
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Old 14th January 2015, 10:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like the Nissan key code has been cracked BMW style. Add's credence to Karls car that got stolen from the hotel.

Deterrent people! Stop locks, security posts, whatever it takes to stop a thief who HAS keys

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Old 14th January 2015, 11:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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That's not good to hear! Just glad you & your wife are ok.
Did the guy who looked your car over touch/handle the service books? If so, make the Scenes Of Crime officer know, they can send them away for chemical treatment for prints. Only downside is, it will render them useless to you!
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Did the guy who looked your car over touch/handle the service books? If so, make the Scenes Of Crime officer know, they can send them away for chemical treatment for prints. Only downside is, it will render them useless to you!
The SOC officer is there at the moment and there is some positive news on that front but obviously I cannot give too much away on here.
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Simple answer is don't use your unlock button. That way the code never gets transmitted and can't be grabbed.

The proximity transponder is a whole different thing which can't be scanned or grabbed, it's why he asked you do it from the key I guess.
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I always use the door button to lock/unlock the car. I don't think there is any signal which can be traced at that moment, I could be wrong though.
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Sorry to hear this. Have you the mobile number one he guy rang you from still??

You can get pretty good cctv for Ģ400 ish
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New Reg so sorry to hear, this really boils my blood, can't imagine the horror of waking up to such an ordeal.
Glad you and your family are ok albeit a little shaken up.

Seriously there should be a law in place that serves as an actual deterrent to such crimes.
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This is awful. Sometimes it takes things like this to change your outlook on selling private. I'm not talking about not doing it but its all to easy to just give your key to the guy who says "can i start it up mate" then makes off or when you go to give a test drive, you give him the key and he sits in the drivers side whilst you get around the other side to see he already set RRR and got his first launch under his belt.

Glad it all worked out and good to post things like this up so we are all aware of the scumbags tactics to steal your pride and joy.
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As others, very sorry to hear and very worrying if there is an issue arising with GTR security.

As a serial BMW owner it was always in the back of my head that my car may not be there when I came back to it with the key cloning issues.
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Thanks for taking the time to post that.

It's well worth knowing.
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I always use the door button to lock/unlock the car. I don't think there is any signal which can be traced at that moment, I could be wrong though.
Having spoken to Brian at length when working on the remote start facility, I think this is absolutely correct.

The transponder signal only works over very close range.

Given what I've learned about how the car is started, I'm very surprised that cloning the remote locking of the key was sufficient to start the car.

I suspect it was more likely the bmw or audi trick of getting into the car and then using a laptop and the obd2 port to start the car.
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Get yourself a Disklok steering lock. Well worth the money and a good visible deterrent.
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Thanks for the comments chaps. It is sickening when we have all worked for our cars that some pond scum who does not have the brains or work ethic to earn his money legally has to steal from those who do.

When we got the car back the lights around the emergency start slot under the steering wheel were flashing. I guess that means he used the cloned key in that slot to get the car started?
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The transponder signal only works over very close range.
True, there are also some 'blind spots'. The signal is easily blocked too. Sometimes I have my Nexus 5 in my hands with the key and apparently the phone blocks the signal.

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How about if you use the key fob to open the trunk ?
Does it send out the same kind of signal with the code exactly like unlock/lock the doors. Or is it different because opening the trunk is less of a threat.

About the blinking light.
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Maybe part of the copy key is to do it to a low battery keyfob because the system functions in another way then with a fully charged one. I don't know, I'm not a car jacker nor a criminal
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I am never going to use the key fob again just in case there's some scum bag waiting near by to get the code, sorry to hear about your story and glad your both ok!

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glad it worked out for you and yours NewReg, what a shit situation to be in.... I hope the police come up with some good info and can do something about it! and thanks for informing us all..

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Sounds like the Nissan key code has been cracked BMW style. Add's credence to Karls car that got stolen from the hotel.
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yeah after the hotel theft and now this, I'm feeling a stop lock coming on, and just use the button on the door to access the car...

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I always use the door button to lock/unlock the car. I don't think there is any signal which can be traced at that moment, I could be wrong though.
I hope so, and if the code can be cloned, maybe Nissan needs to find a way to fix it and do a recall????

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Firstly - I'm glad that you're both OK. Secondly - I'm glad the pond-dweller didn't get your pride and joy.

Thirdly - thanks for arming us all with great information.

I'm about to install CCTV onto my garage facia - mainly to find out who's cat keeps shitting on my drive, but if it helps as a deterrent (not to cats obviously!) then it's a bonus.

Hope you can both settle quickly after this traumatic incident.
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I hate to bring this up, but what's to stop them coming back now they have the code? or following you to the shops and taking it then?

Can you reset it manually?
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I hate to bring this up, but what's to stop them coming back now they have the code? or following you to the shops and taking it then?

Can you reset it manually?
Now that the SOC team have finished with it, the car has gone to my parents house 50 miles away. They have very secure storage.

I am driving to London to drop by and see Sly tomorrow. He can re-program the key for me so the code is different, apparently. It will then be stored at my parents house and will not be used until it gets taken to part-ex at the end of this month.

TBH I cannot see them coming back. They had a clear chance to get away with it yesterday. All they had to do was put their foot down but for some reason they decided to bail. My neighbours are all on alert now and the police have been informed. Quite frankly, in terms of security, I think Tony Martin had the right idea but that is another debate for another thread!
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