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View Poll Results: F Con Pro v Apexi PFC
My car is mapped with F Con Pro 131 26.73%
My car is mapped with Power FC 218 44.49%
My car is mapped with Power FC Pro 40 8.16%
Stock ECU 109 22.24%
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Old 4th September 2005, 07:17 PM   #21 (permalink)
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currently using the Apexi PFC and I am likeing it ,, more of an entry level ECU I should say it can do so much for your car can also push the big numbers ,, The major advantage it has over the HKS is software,, u can tune it whenever you want as long as you have the commander with ya.. HKS well thats a story of its own...

However ,, for more flexablilty in engine managment goes the F con is miles away, and its what I am going for soon..

AEM yay great Supra boys love it (am not testing it on my Skyline just yet) and some would consider it better than the F con reason is also software related.
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I agree. The software problem with HKS is a pain for people who want to develop their motors over time.

HKS F-Con V Pro really suits someone who buys everything in one go, maps it at HKS Dealer in one go.

Having PFC Software/Datalogit means you can develop the motor with every step, try out new methods of tuning. Tuning with the commander though is a pain, maybe okay for knocking things off / on, but wouldnt recommend tuning it with commander. If you get Power FC, get the software.

HKS F-Con V Pro provides increased resolution over PFC, presenting more dynamic Engine Management System.

Price wise, yeah I was way out, just looked at price of the units, didn't include pricing on mapping and loom and extra's. HKS is definately the rich man's ecu.

AEM looks good, as does MOTEC, AUTRONIC, HALTECH.
No problem with software. Custom loom work though.

Ditch AFM's, go with MAP sensor, Look for best resolution and number of added features useful in your application, and then see how it can be mapped, having a specialist in it near you is useful, or if you tune yourself, make sure software is available. Bingo.
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Old 7th September 2005, 01:56 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Bah

In order, ascending value is better:

1/. Standard ECU
2/. Power FC
3/. FConV-Pro
4/. AEM
5/. Autronic
6/. Motec
7/. TAG



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Old 7th September 2005, 02:10 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Maybe someone should post up what the each cost. Then you would have a better idea of overall value.
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Anyone have any opinions on the Greddy e-manage ultimate? i like the look of it
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good question above, please any info as it quite cheep also....
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Old 22nd October 2005, 10:02 PM   #27 (permalink)
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It's a pretty good piece Laurence but it suggests that the PFC and F-Con V-Pro are much closer in cost than they are in reality. I think your cost above does not include the loom, plus the mapping is more expensive for the F-Con. You can get a PFC fitted and mapped for £1000 in the UK, your looking at alot more than that for the F-Con, plus not many places can map it.
its crazy especially the costs for mapping... and with the F con Pro only HKS power writers can map it.. shame they have limited it, as this makes the companies who can map it call the shots and charge what ever they want! I got a quote of 1200 for the ecu and 1400 for the mapping
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I find myself in a very similar position.
Having an internal argument but feel that for my needs the Power FC will suffice.
I just want the car mapped safely and to drive the thing.
Aren't there any other fools like me out there
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Old 24th October 2005, 10:56 PM   #29 (permalink)
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you can map a PFC safely, just have to be more reserve
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Old 25th October 2005, 05:14 PM   #30 (permalink)
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My PFC was mapped very safely by Dan at Abbey. It's simple, you just say "Dan please map my car for road use and err on the side of caution rather than absolute power". Even then it went up from 308BHP (standard ECU) to 342BHP (hub figures) just through mapping. I have never seen the knock meter register anything on the hand controller even when driving hard around Brunters. Drives soooo much better than before too.
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The only thing that frightens me is the huge mapping costs....im trying to find some decent mappers in europe....
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im trying to find some decent mappers in europe....
Why don't you drive to Japan?

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The only thing that frightens me is the huge mapping costs....im trying to find some decent mappers in europe....
I don't consider £240 to be a huge cost for the equipment and more importantly the expertise that is required to do it properly.
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I would if it was near enough.. but germany or france seems a better option!! just need to hunt out some mapping specialists!!

You would need atleast 4 hours at min to map a PFC so I was told.. or 8-10 hours for the HKS F Con Pro.. its all adds up...

thats a lot of money....
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With the FCON V couldn't one just specify an A/F ratio and let the FCON auto adjust and that would provide a "decent" tune? For example just set the A/R for 11.0:1 and then the car would run pretty good on that? Might not be the highest hp but would be very safe and the vehicle would never run below that.

Also, is there anywhere one can get the datalogging or software for the FCon?
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regarding the HKS F-CON, only registered HKS dealers can map it. I think, as last of what I red, was that Europe has 6 of such tuners. That's not a lot, and I even think info on this perticulary question can be found on the HKS page.

I do know though, that k-power, www.k-power.dk, has become a certified dealer, and the price for the F-CON is appr. 1200£. Call for a quote on other prices...
direct link to the F-CON page at k-power....
http://www.k-power.dk/produkt.asp?me...20Motorstyring
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oh yes, they are located just outside Copenhagen right now, so it's a bit far for you British people, but Harwich-Esbjerg and then its 'only' 400 km....

anyone interested in the adress, it's located on the bottom of the page.....
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Question Northern hks

What about Tdi NORTH are they going to have the same facility's as they have in London for mapping the F-Con?
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What about an AEM EMS ?
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