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Old 8th May 2017, 02:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

I am considering this car:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...ilable/6919984

What are your thoughts on it, price etc?

What does it mean forged engine (stupid question), is that a bonus?

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Old 8th May 2017, 02:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Forged engine is an expensive thing to do. It means the internals have been upgraded to withstand greater power without the worry of parts breaking so easily. Should mean it's near bomb proof engine wise.

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Old 8th May 2017, 03:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

I am considering this car:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...ilable/6919984

What are your thoughts on it, price etc?

What does it mean forged engine (stupid question), is that a bonus?

Thanks

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I'd say that's a decent price and from a reputable specialist. Forged engine means replacing the standard Nissan conrods (and usually pistons) for 'forged' rather than 'cast' items. Basically they are stronger and can cope with the increased stresses associated with tuning the car and upping the torque and power, which in turn means you needn't necessarily worry so much about your engine being damaged by the 4.25 tune, so yes it's definitely a bonus and isn't cheap (minimum of £7k+).

I would however be asking for detailed information on exactly what work has been carried out, i.e. what rods were fitted, if the pistons were done (I'm assuming so if they are quoting £20k spent) and by who. Also, when was it forged and at what mileage.

Let us know how you get on!
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Old 8th May 2017, 03:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Sly the owner of Kaizer is a qualified master GTR mechanic. All he does so he's a very solid business. I'd give him a call and have a chat about the car.

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Old 8th May 2017, 03:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ok great, thanks for the info guys.
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i think i saw this there last weekend, when i had some tyres fitted.

Sly is definitely a really good guy.

as stated above, master GT-R mechanic so you cant go wrong
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I'd say that's a decent price and from a reputable specialist. Forged engine means replacing the standard Nissan conrods (and usually pistons) for 'forged' rather than 'cast' items. Basically they are stronger and can cope with the increased stresses associated with tuning the car and upping the torque and power, which in turn means you needn't necessarily worry so much about your engine being damaged by the 4.25 tune, so yes it's definitely a bonus and isn't cheap (minimum of £7k+).

I would however be asking for detailed information on exactly what work has been carried out, i.e. what rods were fitted, if the pistons were done (I'm assuming so if they are quoting £20k spent) and by who. Also, when was it forged and at what mileage.

Let us know how you get on!
Just had a chat with them at Kaizer, talked through everything.

Car sound great, had engine forged 500 miles ago due to previous engine failure, so basically new forged engine in the car. Would this put you off it has had a new engine or when it comes for to sell engine isnt original would devalue the car?

Just had service, mot and brakes to. So seems like a sorted car.
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Short answer is it won't put off people who want a car with a bit more power, but will put off people who want a standard one. Basically don't let it be the reason not to buy the car.
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Just had a chat with them at Kaizer, talked through everything.

Car sound great, had engine forged 500 miles ago due to previous engine failure, so basically new forged engine in the car. Would this put you off it has had a new engine or when it comes for to sell engine isnt original would devalue the car?

Just had service, mot and brakes to. So seems like a sorted car.
sounds good to me!

id pick it up

you have a master GT-R mechanic telling you the cars all good.

i dont think you can get better really.
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Only thing that puts me off when it comes to selling maybe and issue
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Any idea why it had a new engine? And why would you spend all the money to forge an engine, only to sell the car 500 miles later.

Sure its fine if the guy selling it is genuine, and certainly sounds that way. Just a bit weird.

To be fair there is loads of reasons, but if the car is sound then certainly looks like a good buy.
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Yep does seem abit weird, it was already stage 4.25 then the engine failed so Kaizer put new engine in and forged it. Which is great, but can see why it may put some people off.

Im looking to have the car couple of years, it will obviously lose some money in that time but I do not want to buy a car that maybe really hard to sell on due to engine etc.

Thanks for all help so far guys.
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Yep does seem abit weird, it was already stage 4.25 then the engine failed so Kaizer put new engine in and forged it. Which is great, but can see why it may put some people off.

Im looking to have the car couple of years, it will obviously lose some money in that time but I do not want to buy a car that maybe really hard to sell on due to engine etc.

Thanks for all help so far guys.
Reading a bit on Kaizer, i would not be worried to be honest. And although an engine change is not great, it would be perfect for someone that is intendeing to go to big power etc.

Certainly worth looking at, as most dealers dont have a clue about the GTR.
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I am a bit confused you are getting a car with a new engine that has been built to handle the power by a reputable garage , whats not to like about it ? maybe the last owner could not afford to have it fixed so the car was bought with a dead engine
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And why would you spend all the money to forge an engine, only to sell the car 500 miles later.
He might've run out of money and selling it became the only option.
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I am a bit confused you are getting a car with a new engine that has been built to handle the power by a reputable garage , whats not to like about it ? maybe the last owner could not afford to have it fixed so the car was bought with a dead engine
Very true, I am new to the GTR game so just asking as many questions as possible to gain a good understand. Thanks
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Just had a chat with them at Kaizer, talked through everything.

Car sound great, had engine forged 500 miles ago due to previous engine failure, so basically new forged engine in the car. Would this put you off it has had a new engine or when it comes for to sell engine isnt original would devalue the car?

Just had service, mot and brakes to. So seems like a sorted car.
It wouldn't necessarily put me off so long as the work was all documented and receipted, hence my suggestion of getting all the details behind the work, exactly what the damage was etc. After all, so long as all damaged components were replaced/uprated, it's not really any different to someone forging an already mechanically sound engine, it's just the stigma associated with saying the engine blew. Was it Kaizer that forged the motor or was it taken somewhere else?

Personally, so long as Kaizer could provide me with all the details of the damage and work carried out, and the car checked out in person I'd go for it. I think if it was a different car that didn't have such a great tuning community a car like this might put people off come selling time, but when all the decent tuners are well known and the workmanship can be testified for there's not much not to like. A lot of people buy a GTR, spend thousands tuning it, then thousands forging the engine, in this case you save all that cost and can sleep at night knowing you won't be throwing a rod anytime soon lol.
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Id buy that in a heartbeat, its around 10K to forge a motor, no brainer.
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Id buy that in a heartbeat, its around 10K to forge a motor, no brainer.
Agree. Assuming the back story all stacks up it looks like a cracking deal. Wish I could nab it myself...

For pure curiosity if I was buying I'd want to know why it came for sale just after dropping 7k into it.

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This is a no brainer! The car is hd a solid build done on it, all 4.25 engines are going to need building at some point that's just a fact, might as well buy a car that has already had the money pumped in to it and the headache and worry taken away from you...... couple that with the warranty that is available and you have peace of mind.

This isn't going to put people off, anybody that can read will know that a tuned car with this many miles on is going to need some work and will be a selling plus point for you!

Just get it bought and stop ****ing about
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