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Old 20th March 2018, 01:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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you'd rather site in a mass transport unit, making multiple stops, surrounded by the site, sounds and smells of strangers, than sitting in total comfort in your own "pod"?

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No, Iím talking about people that want a car to drive for them.

Iíll drive myself.
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Old 20th March 2018, 02:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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No, Iím talking about people that want a car to drive for them.

Iíll drive myself.
which, as had been said, is hugely inneficient.

Sitting in gridlock for the sake of "driving" is crazy.

The irony here is the car had a HUMAN operative, and still hit someone. So, above all else, human error is a key factor.
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which, as had been said, is hugely inneficient.

Sitting in gridlock for the sake of "driving" is crazy.

The irony here is the car had a HUMAN operative, and still hit someone. So, above all else, human error is a key factor.
Rubbish. The human is there to stop it going haywire and going on a rampage through a school playground. No one would be able to sit there for hours poised ready to react. (Unless they were actually driving)

They've already down played it as the car not being at fault, so all we've proved so far is that the driverless car is no better than a human behind the wheel after all.
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so all we've proved so far is that the driverless car is no better than a human behind the wheel after all.
and we've had 100 years to learn
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Rubbish. The human is there to stop it going haywire and going on a rampage through a school playground. No one would be able to sit there for hours poised ready to react. (Unless they were actually driving)

They've already down played it as the car not being at fault, so all we've proved so far is that the driverless car is no better than a human behind the wheel after all.
If you need a human to be behind the wheel READY for if/when the car makes a mistake it A: Makes the whole point of it being driverless POINTLESS and B: Too late if it does make one.
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which, as had been said, is hugely inneficient.

Sitting in gridlock for the sake of "driving" is crazy.

The irony here is the car had a HUMAN operative, and still hit someone. So, above all else, human error is a key factor.
The human error was trusting a f*****g computer to drive the car in the first place.
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Is it me or is this forum playing up? Can't see page 2.
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If you need a human to be behind the wheel READY for if/when the car makes a mistake it A: Makes the whole point of it being driverless POINTLESS and B: Too late if it does make one.
In the same way people used to walk in front of cars with flags....
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The human error was trusting a f*****g computer to drive the car in the first place.
You do appreciate when you are cornering at high speed in your GTR that a computer is doing a lot of the "work" for you (i.e. activtly controlling elements, throttle, brakes etc.

You trust THAT computer what if that suddenly failed? You dead.
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You do appreciate when you are cornering at high speed in your GTR that a computer is doing a lot of the "work" for you (i.e. activtly controlling elements, throttle, brakes etc.

You trust THAT computer what if that suddenly failed? You dead.
Now youíre being a pedantic tit.

Iím done.
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Now youíre being a pedantic tit.

Iím done.
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Classy
As classy as a modderator intentionally winding people up.

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I’m not winding anyone up. I’m highlighting the fact you are biased in your opinion. You don’t ‘like’ therefore it’s bad. Which isn’t the case.
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Hmmm...Like it or not, We are now living in a blameless Society. Just watch any episode of Judge Judy or Judge Rinder and listen to the insane excuses given as to why some people believe they are not responsible for their actions or the destruction resulting from poor judgement or atrocious behavior.

Its as if no one is prepared to put their hands up, admit their at fault/guilt and take responsibility anymore....

Kids today in 2018 have lost so many skill sets that Our Parents and Grandparents took for granted that I dread the day in the future when I can no longer do practical things or speak for myself either.

Today FFS we've even come to a point where signs have to be put up in Public places to remind "Youths" to look up from their Smart Phones and pay attention as to what is going on around them when in public!

To me, An Autonomous Vehicle and a Human Cargo that's not paying the slightest bit of attention to what exactly is going on is a recipe for disaster waiting for a tragedy to occur.

So lastly, Who is responsible when the intelligent Computer controlling an autonomous Vehicle inevitably knows an accident is going to happen regardless of any input in the unfolding disastrous situation unfolding in real time BUT decides that You or I have to die in order to minimise the potential carnage possible to saves others lives in this scenario?

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How many people worry about the auto pilot and auto landing systems in modern airplanes?
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How many people worry about the auto pilot and auto landing systems in modern airplanes?
You would do if you were pushing your bike across one of the runways at Heathrow
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You'd have to ask Pilots that because (like most here I suspect) I cannot fly Planes Simonh....

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The real point is that I believe good drivers use intuition to avoid thousands of accidents during their driving lifetimes, most in situations that are incredibly complex and would be very difficult to program for.

Heck Air France dropped a 330 into the drink due to frosty pitot tubes and young co-pilot too used to flying autopilot. The old experienced pilot came back to the cockpit too late.
Then read about the airbus that crashed near Perpignan due to paint on the aoa sensor.
"They trusted their plane too much," Sebastian David, the principal investigator for the Paris based Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses (BEA)
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Then the brainiacs doing the autonomous racing car with guy Martin. They didnít even manage to program some decent traction control.

Add to that....90% of modern cars have cruise control and in Europe 90% of drivers donít use it because the are probably too dumb to switch it on let alone operate it. How they would cope when the either computer opted to hand the reins back or due to a fault the reins needed grabbing sharpish.

On the plus side, computers donít do drink or drugs or get tired.
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the thing to remember is, we are at the very beginning of this. Computing power, AI, machine learning etc is growing on a massive scale. Every single shortcoming people come up with can be solved by better technology. Afterall, we are just computers ourselves in the grand scheme.
And better tech is guaranteed with some massive leaps due in the coming years.

Think back to Chris Goffey sat in a transit van with a BBC micro as a Satnav "that'll never catch on...."
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