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Jags 28th September 2018 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightspeed (Post 5745373)

Pretty sure I've got an old HyperRev with the RX in it. I'll see if I can dig it out

kismetcapitan 29th September 2018 07:25 PM

I'd thought about a VH41/45 V8 a decade ago with my first R32; didn't know it had been done and that the modifications to make it fit were that straightforward. I bet it's shorter which would help with weight distribution.

Sub Boy 29th September 2018 07:31 PM

If I was going to build my car again, I would keep some of what I have....but better, this is what I would build:

Engine:
RB30 block (or Billet RB30 if money wasn't an option)
Nitto RB32 Stroker Kit
Billet girdle/bottom end caps and 4x4 adaptor
Billet shaftless 6-Throttles with BMW E-Throttle motor
Custom ported head with oversized valves, etc etc
272 cams with 10.5 lift (pretty sure off the shelf Kelford Cams)
Dry sump setup
EFR 8474 Turbo (when it's released)
Sinco Manifold
Twin 40mm Turbosmart W/G
Hypertune Intercooler
Hypertune plenum with dual fuel rails
NZEFI Bosch 1000cc Ethanol Compatible primary injectors
NZEFI Bosch 1650cc Ethanol Compatible secondary Injectors
Ross Crank/CAS Trigger kit with customised mounts for reluctor sensors

Gearbox and Diffs:
PPG 6-Spd Seq
Quaife front diff
Kaas rear diff
Carbon drive shaft

Electrics:
Emtron KV16
Custom TXL or Milspec loom with new NZEFI connector set
NZEFI RB Coil upgrade kit (VQ35/VR38)
Motec C127 dash
NZEFI Fuel pump speed controllers
Full-Race 4x4 controller

Fuel System:
NZEFI Walbro Ethanol compatible in tank lift pump
NZEFI Walbro 455l/ph EFI pump (x2)
Internal pump surge tank (Raceworks?)
Custom hard lines and braided Teflon lines

Suspension:
MCA Shocks
Ikeya Formula arms
Chassis braces

Brakes/Wheels
Alcon or Brembo 6pot and 4pot
Top Secret clutch master
Nismo 18x10.5 15j wheels and AD08R street tyres

Body:
Yanack standard wide front and rear guard set
Custom street/track day cage - tight around the pillars but still through the dash
Custom Alcantara interior

There is bound to be better gear but this is all realistic (apart from the billet block perhaps)

asiasi 29th September 2018 07:58 PM

Sub Boy that’s it ! Maybe change turbo if you want more power but job done.

It’s all proven stuff,there are no mystic builds out there still to be discovered, just get the money for that and build it !

matt j 30th September 2018 09:27 AM

Motec 128 Dash?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Boy (Post 5745501)
Full-Race 4x4 controller

Pretty sure the FR controller can be bettered TBH but the rest of the spec looks great. :smokin:

TAZZMAXX 30th September 2018 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Boy (Post 5745501)
If I was going to build my car again, I would keep some of what I have....but better, this is what I would build:

Engine:
RB30 block (or Billet RB30 if money wasn't an option)
Nitto RB32 Stroker Kit
Billet girdle/bottom end caps and 4x4 adaptor
Billet shaftless 6-Throttles with BMW E-Throttle motor
Custom ported head with oversized valves, etc etc
272 cams with 10.5 lift (pretty sure off the shelf Kelford Cams)
Dry sump setup
EFR 8474 Turbo (when it's released)
Sinco Manifold
Twin 40mm Turbosmart W/G
Hypertune Intercooler
Hypertune plenum with dual fuel rails
NZEFI Bosch 1000cc Ethanol Compatible primary injectors
NZEFI Bosch 1650cc Ethanol Compatible secondary Injectors
Ross Crank/CAS Trigger kit with customised mounts for reluctor sensors

Gearbox and Diffs:
PPG 6-Spd Seq
Quaife front diff
Kaas rear diff
Carbon drive shaft

Electrics:
Emtron KV16
Custom TXL or Milspec loom with new NZEFI connector set
NZEFI RB Coil upgrade kit (VQ35/VR38)
Motec M128 dash
NZEFI Fuel pump speed controllers
Full-Race 4x4 controller

Fuel System:
NZEFI Walbro Ethanol compatible in tank lift pump
NZEFI Walbro 455l/ph EFI pump (x2)
Internal pump surge tank (Raceworks?)
Custom hard lines and braided Teflon lines

Suspension:
MCA Shocks
Ikeya Formula arms
Chassis braces

Brakes/Wheels
Alcon or Brembo 6pot and 4pot
Top Secret clutch master
Nismo 18x10.5 15j wheels and AD08R street tyres

Body:
Yanack standard wide front and rear guard set
Custom street/track day cage - tight around the pillars but still through the dash
Custom Alcantara interior

There is bound to be better gear but this is all realistic (apart from the billet block perhaps)

Out of interest, what would that lot cost, on top of the purchase price of the car?

Cris 30th September 2018 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAZZMAXX (Post 5745547)
Out of interest, what would that lot cost, on top of the purchase price of the car?

You know the old saying - if you have to ask....

Without adding anything up I think you'd have more than £50k of parts there. I'm most likely rather light there as gearboxes are usually a lot more than I think that they are.

Sub Boy 30th September 2018 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt j (Post 5745537)
Motec 128 Dash?


Pretty sure the FR controller can be bettered TBH but the rest of the spec looks great. :smokin:

Sorry, was thinking of something else with that part number, should be C127.....but if I was looking to spend then a C1812!

What 4x4 controller would you go for Matt? The new version of the Full-Race one has wheel speed input as well.

TAZZMAXX 30th September 2018 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cris (Post 5745585)
You know the old saying - if you have to ask....

Oh I know I canít afford it but I wonder how many people do an accurate forecast before they start a big build, only for it to stall when they run out of money?

AlexJ 30th September 2018 09:17 PM

If we are going full retard, maybe pop a Bosch M5 ABS in to make the brakes work properly. Factory fit on Porsche Cup cars and Caymen GT4 CS.

matt j 1st October 2018 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sub Boy (Post 5745619)
Sorry, was thinking of something else with that part number, should be C127.....but if I was looking to spend then a C1812!

What 4x4 controller would you go for Matt? The new version of the Full-Race one has wheel speed input as well.

Iíve just got the C127, couldnít justify the huge gap to the C1812!

I like the sound of the MoTeC 4WD controller tbh, I know it wasnít designed for the Skyline but it can be used in one.

AlexJ 1st October 2018 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt j (Post 5745641)
I like the sound of the MoTeC 4WD controller tbh, I know it wasn’t designed for the Skyline but it can be used in one.

I saw Motec are doing Subaru and Mitsubishi 4wd controllers, I'd have thought you could put together an M150 package that could do the job without additional hardware.

The Full-Race ETSPro is a repurposed DCCD Pro Subaru diff controller and electronically I assume the three systems are very similar, so a good chance the motec controllers could be repurposed too.

I did some testing last weekend with Colin at CATDT at Millbrook , the FullRace was flexible and effective but ergonomically it could be improved, the useful control range is narrow enough to really need some sort of numerical display to precisely adjust it. I log the centre diff pressure and display it on the dash which helps but being able to quickly see what you have the ETSPro set to would be great.

I guess the cost of these sort of things is the development and testing time and expertise as much as the hardware.

kismetcapitan 9th October 2018 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAZZMAXX (Post 5745625)
Oh I know I canít afford it but I wonder how many people do an accurate forecast before they start a big build, only for it to stall when they run out of money?

That's why I named my first R32 "Moby Dick". I finished that car completely. It cost me a fortune and a marriage, but like Captain Ahab, I was NOT going to give up!!

I plan to be more pragmatic and sensible the second time around. I will not compromise on the build spec, but if it takes a decade, it takes a decade.

I like to plan builds based on performance goals. My first R32 was meant to be a match for a Ferrari Enzo (up to like 120mph or so). While I did get a chance to street drag an Enzo, turbo lag from a crap launch let me down. I do have fond memories of never getting beaten by any Lamborghini and an exciting neck and neck race versus a Carrera GT.

Haven't quite thought of a specific car, but with an RB32 and all these modern bits now available....?


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