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Old 13th May 2019, 10:31 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Overpriced - yes! Overrated - i dont think so. I had pretty high expectations when i bought mine. Had actually never even sat in one before, though i was very briefed. And it delivered more than expected!
Obviously not stock, but when properly tuned to 500hp or more, its a blast imo.
Clearly you dont fall into the category above then. Its subjective and I say they are overrated....in a big way. Things have moved on and it isnt until you compare you realise how dated, heavy and slow they are.
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That would defeat the purpose of a 6 speed conversion, ie having close ratios.

Will be selling the car anyway so Im not really ****ed anymore,
I believe with a 3.9 final drive you have the same kind of gear range as the 5 speed with 4.11 final drive but closer ratios. 3.7 helps you bank the extra gears into wider overall gear range.
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Old 14th May 2019, 10:05 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Will be selling the car anyway so Im not really ****ed anymore,
Sorry to hear you have fallen out of love with your Skyline....
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Clearly you dont fall into the category above then. Its subjective and I say they are overrated....in a big way. Things have moved on and it isnt until you compare you realise how dated, heavy and slow they are.


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I think it depends on how you view these cars.

I personally don't like how complicated modern cars have become in terms of driving experience. Even base models will have a whole suite of active driving assists and infotainment. Usually poorly executed, buggy, and distracting. What I liked about the R32 and R33 is how there's really nothing going on in the car other than the steering wheel, pedals, and transmission. Manufacturers are too busy selling feature lists and in-car tablets to new car buyers and they've completely forgotten about making a good driving experience in the process. Everything is basically tailored around distraction and isolation.
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They are classic cars now, that's how they should be viewed. Comparing them to a modern car is like saying apples and bananas are the same thing.
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They are classic cars now, that's how they should be viewed. Comparing them to a modern car is like saying apples and bananas are the same thing.
Is the R34 GT-R really all that classic? The RB26 in it is an absolute dinosaur but that was because Nissan never bothered to update the engine with VVT or direct injection. Toyota was experimenting with the 1JZ-FSE/2JZ-FSE, the 2JZ-GTE VVTi was also a thing back in the late 90s.

If the R34 GT-R shipped with a direct injection + VVT head with higher compression and more displacement I would be willing to bet that it would not feel that different from a modern GDI-T engine in driveability. I personally would prefer a more modern engine but an engine swap is expensive and it would be very difficult to preserve the specific design features of the RB26 that adapt it to use in the GTRs like the integrated front diff + oilpan and the canted engine mounting.
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Is the R34 GT-R really all that classic?
If you type in "Definition of a Classic Car" into Google you get :-

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A classic car is an older automobile; the exact definition varies around the world. The common theme is of an older car with enough historical interest to be collectable and worth preserving or restoring rather than scrapping. Cars 20 years and older typically fall into the classic class.
So, Yes the BNR34 is a Classic Car after all!

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If you type in "Definition of a classic Car" into Google you get :-



So, Yes the BNR34 is a Classic Car afterall!

HTH!
I guess in my mind when people say "classic" I think of the early 2000s when people would pay crazy money for something from the 60s so they could experience a car with a steel bumper, manual steering, a carb, and the general smell of fuel on your clothes. No plastic in the interior either.

The R34 even now is not that "classic" in that sense, most cars didn't even get anything approaching the MFD until like 2005-2010. Cars well into the 2010s had pretty low resolution infotainment displays too, only at the high end did we start seeing high resolution large touchscreens like in the Model S in 2012.
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I guess in my mind when people say "classic" I think of the early 2000s when people would pay crazy money for something from the 60s so they could experience a car with a steel bumper, manual steering, a carb, and the general smell of fuel on your clothes. No plastic in the interior either.
Yes I agree with you but don't forget its Heritage and limited supply/availability World-wide. It also sounds like you are forgetting this part of the statement above :-

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I'd all day rather have a BNR34 than say an MGB-GT and for-go the "autentic steel bumper, manual steering, unreliable broken down on the side of the Country Road carburettor experience"....But Hey, that's just me!


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The R34 even now is not that "classic" in that sense, most cars didn't even get anything approaching the MFD until like 2005-2010. Cars well into the 2010s had pretty low resolution infotainment displays too, only at the high end did we start seeing high resolution large touchscreens like in the Model S in 2012.
Ok, once again I can sort of see your point with the MFD tech but the rest of the vehicle is pretty agricultural in all other aspects. We Enthusiasts can actually work on these Skylines without needing to purchase £25k+ worth of diagnostic equipment first. Its not as if you have to reflash the ECU or actually tell the Car if its had its clutch replaced like more and more modern but basic Playstation Generation machinery does.
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No plastic in the interior either.
Oh BTW, How old are you joshuaho96? The reason I ask is because I am a Child of the 1970's and grew up being Chauffeured around in all sorts of period correct vehicles from Hillman Avenger's, to Austin Maxi's and Mk1/Mk2 Escort's , once a Reliant Robin and everything else in between some Marina's, Viva's and even Capri's.

One thing these all had in common was they were absolutely crammed FULL of vinyl and all manner of other hideous toxic plastics mate!

Jap cars from the 1990's aint so bad in the true scale of things mate...
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Oh BTW, How old are you joshuaho96? The reason I ask is because I am a Child of the 1970's and grew up being Chauffeured around in all sorts of period correct vehicles from Hillman Avenger's, to Austin Maxi's and Mk1/Mk2 Escort's , once a Reliant Robin and everything else in between some Marina's, Viva's and even Capri's.

One thing these all had in common was they were absolutely crammed FULL of vinyl and all manner of other hideous toxic plastics mate!

Jap cars from the 1990's aint so bad in the true scale of things mate...
1996, so most of my exposure to classic cars is 60s American muscle.
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1996, so most of my exposure to classic cars is 60s American muscle.
Ahh, I see!

For every Pontiac GTO there is also a Chevrolet Corvair. Say Dodge Charger R/T, What about a Ford Pinto? Ford Mustang 428 Cobra Jet or an AMC Pacer?? Decisions, Decisions....How about Chevrolet Chevelle SS or an AMC Gremlin?!

Something to really make you cringe now, What about choosing between a Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Diesel or a Chevrolet Chevette??

All of these plastic and velour filled American motors above are classed as true Classic Cars now a days thanks to their age and occasionally rarity but only some are what we call desirable Classics!

Maybe this explanation will go some way in helping to explain why the BNR34 Skyline GT-R deserves this special Classic status treatment too.

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