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Old 17th April 2019, 06:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old European Fords

So I was watching an episode of the Grand Tour revolving around old school European Fords. Now, I knew about the Ford Lotus Cortina partly because I knew Jim Clark raced one but never knew they were that popular in the UK. My oh my, those Cortinas are so beautiful. I prefer the mark 2 Cortinas, since they are more boxier. The mark 1 and mark 3 look really similar to American muscle car styling a little bit for me.

I've got a sweet spot for old euro Fords since my dad used to own a few, but holy crap I never knew how sexy the interior of a Sierra Cosworth is. So simple and driver orientated, looks a bit similar to an R31. Was interesting watching old Bathurst videos when the R32 debuted in that race and took down the Cosworths, but holy crap both cars looked so good.

I really like the Granada MkII, Scorpio MkI, and the Cortina MkII. Really wish the Americans Fords were better cars during the 70s-2000s. Only good Fords from that time period were the Foxbody Mustang, Broncos, and the first generation Ford Explorer. Man, cars were much better back in the day.
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Definitely have a sweet spot for old Fords especially the Cosworth’s and the Escort RS Turbo. My father owned a Cortina way back when I was a very young child but I don’t remember much of that car tbh. He would go on about how much he liked it but had to sell because mum thought it wasn’t very safe, bless her. Then he bought a very boring Nissan Bluebird which just went on forever, the only thing I liked about it was the fact it almost looked like a Delorian same silver colour and boxy shape. My friends would call it the ‘Back to the Future car!’ .
A friend of mine who used to run a works garage was a huge Ford nut. Think he had two or three MKII Escorts, a Sierra Saphire Cosworth, and two Escort Cosworths. They were mint! He offered to sell me his Escort Cosworth Monte Carlo for about £15-£20k iirc, but I never bought it as I had my mind set on an R34 . Kinda wish I did in a way as it would fetch a very pretty penny now but I know deep down I wouldn’t have enjoyed the ownership as much.
I think I’ll try and find that Grand Tour episode now actually, sounds interesting will be the first episode I’ve seen since they left Top Gear too.
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You missed out over there on some cool cars. All of the escort range had a fast version too, finishing in the escort cosworth, Or “Es-cos” as we know them. An 86 rs turbo:
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Definitely have a sweet spot for old Fords especially the Cosworth’s and the Escort RS Turbo. My father owned a Cortina way back when I was a very young child but I don’t remember much of that car tbh. He would go on about how much he liked it but had to sell because mum thought it wasn’t very safe, bless her. Then he bought a very boring Nissan Bluebird which just went on forever, the only thing I liked about it was the fact it almost looked like a Delorian same silver colour and boxy shape. My friends would call it the ‘Back to the Future car!’ .
A friend of mine who used to run a works garage was a huge Ford nut. Think he had two or three MKII Escorts, a Sierra Saphire Cosworth, and two Escort Cosworths. They were mint! He offered to sell me his Escort Cosworth Monte Carlo for about £15-£20k iirc, but I never bought it as I had my mind set on an R34 . Kinda wish I did in a way as it would fetch a very pretty penny now but I know deep down I wouldn’t have enjoyed the ownership as much.
I think I’ll try and find that Grand Tour episode now actually, sounds interesting will be the first episode I’ve seen since they left Top Gear too.
Definitely go check it out man! The Ford episode is season 3, episode 14. Season 3 is probably the best season out of all the ones they had. Season 1 was kind of iffy, season 2 was just horrible because it was overly scripted. Season 3, just right. After watching that, I want to buy an old European Ford and it import it to Florida. Maybe restore it as well, if it's in bad condition. About 99% of Americans have no clue about the European Fords since the only one they care about is the Escort Mark 5 because Ken Block owns one.

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You missed out over there on some cool cars. All of the escort range had a fast version too, finishing in the escort cosworth, Or “Es-cos” as we know them. An 86 rs turbo:
Oh trust me, I know I did. I see them sometimes whenever I visit my old country in Europe. Really like the Escort generations 1, 2 and 3. Honestly, the European Fords really destroyed the American originators, besides the first generation Mustang in my opinion.

Now those old school Opels are bad ass as well. I love the simplicity of the interior in the Ascona A and B as well as the styling. Cars were so beautiful back in the day with not too much bulges that they do nowadays. I was thinking of saving up for one of those old school Fords or Opels and importing it to the US when I visit my country next year hopefully. I know they're not that expensive, since you guys have a huge supply of them.
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Opel?! Not for us we have Vauxhall’s. It’s the same thing different name. I don’t know if the models are exactly the same but we had some cool stuff. Astra GTE, cavalier turbo, Nova SR etc. The Astra GTE had a digital display on the speedo. Looked a bit like kit in knight rider the way the numbers changed with acceleration. So cool!!
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Yeah, from my area they're Opels. If I'm not mistaken only the UK gets the badged "Vauxhall"? Last time I visited my relatives I went to one of the car shows and saw an Opel Monza, my oh my that car looked sexy! I hate all new cars, but I got to say the old European cars are bad ass even though I give Euro cars a lot of shit for bad reliability.

I wanted to ask, but are the German cars considered reliable or unreliable in Europe? Reason I'm asking is, because the supply and demand is different in the US and everything is more spread out. I'd believe that it's easier and cheaper to get a German or Italian car repaired in Europe since everything is bunched together and easier to source the parts.
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Opel?! Not for us we have Vauxhall’s. It’s the same thing different name.
Hate to p1$$ on your strawberry's Jimbostir but we DID get a wide variety of Opel's here in the UK from the 1960's right up until the early 1990's mate!

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Astra GTE, cavalier turbo, Nova SR etc
All of those you mentioned were designed and built by Opel. Opel Kadett E GSi - 1984 to 1991 = Vauxhall Astra GT/E. Opel Vectra A - 1988 to 1995 = Vauxhall Mk3 Cavalier. Opel Corsa A - 1982 to 1993 = Vauxhall Nova SR.

I guess not many of us today would pop down to their local Vauxhall/Opel Dealer and lust after something like a 69bhp 1971 1.6L CIH Opel Ascona A for just £1320.25 but don't forget that these common Family buses had morphed into the mighty 2.4L Ascona B 400 by 1979. Same goes for the 1969 Opel Manta A, which changed to the Opel Manta B in 1975 and face lifted in 1983 before the swansong model Exclusive ended in 1989.

Anyways....I'll spare you the full 100+ year Opel history lesson here (unless asked for) but us folks in Blighty could buy all manner of RHD Diplomat's, Corsa's Commodore's, Ascona's, Kadett's, Manta's, Monza's, Rekord's and Vectra's too!

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I wanted to ask, but are the German cars considered reliable or unreliable in Europe? Reason I'm asking is, because the supply and demand is different in the US and everything is more spread out. I'd believe that it's easier and cheaper to get a German or Italian car repaired in Europe since everything is bunched together and easier to source the parts.
Modern German stuff, No...Not really. Today's buyers of such products perceive that their expensive prestige badged technology filled Audi, BMW or Merc is the ultimate in everything but sadly in reality this is far from the truth.

All manner of expensive electrical gremlins (Coil packs, Airflow meters, ECU's, Crank Sensors, etc, etc) are just as prolific as any other vehicle manufacturer along with failed Gearboxes, Differentials, Turbo's, broken water pumps, choked up DPF's, cracked heads or blocks and rust or cracked chassis is still an issue with some German models too!

Ok it might be easier for us to actually get the OEM parts required to fix 100% of these cars properly but the cost to do so in some cases is more than its actually worth. Such as say a troublesome E60 BMW M5 for example...

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Hate to p1$$ on your strawberry's Jimbostir but we DID get a wide variety of Opel's here in the UK from the 1960's right up until the early 1990's mate!



All of those you mentioned were designed and built by Opel. Opel Kadett E GSi - 1984 to 1991 = Vauxhall Astra GT/E. Opel Vectra A - 1988 to 1995 = Vauxhall Mk3 Cavalier. Opel Corsa A - 1982 to 1993 = Vauxhall Nova SR.

I guess not many of us today would pop down to their local Vauxhall/Opel Dealer and lust after something like a 69bhp 1971 1.6L CIH Opel Ascona A for just £1320.25 but don't forget that these common Family buses had morphed into the mighty 2.4L Ascona B 400 by 1979. Same goes for the 1969 Opel Manta A, which changed to the Opel Manta B in 1975 and face lifted in 1983 before the swansong model Exclusive ended in 1989.

Anyways....I'll spare you the full 100+ year Opel history lesson here (unless asked for) but us folks in Blighty could buy all manner of RHD Diplomat's, Corsa's Commodore's, Ascona's, Kadett's, Manta's, Monza's, Rekord's and Vectra's too!

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Ok it might be easier for us to actually get the OEM parts required to fix 100% of these cars properly but the cost to do so in some cases is more than its actually worth. Such as say a troublesome E60 BMW M5 for example...

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Well shit, basically the same thing as in the US but we don't have access to that much OEM parts. And yes, I agree 100% that new German car owners only buy the car for the badge and know nothing about the car except the 0 to 60. I talked to someone who used to own a VW Phaeton. The guy said it was an AMAZING car, only when it was running right. He thanked the lord that he still had warranty for the car when he needed repairs because if he wouldn't have had the warranty, he'd be living on the streets due to the extremely high prices on those parts.

I was looking through the prices of a Sierra Cosworth and the prices are really up there. And I noticed the first Escort Cosworth is also increasing, maybe because Ken Block got one and the hoonigan following want one to be just like him.
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Well, the RS500 Cosworth appears to be the Sierra that is fetching the most money. It seems the lesser models are drastically lower compared to the top model. Kind of similar to the R34 in which the GTR trim is selling for the highest while the GTT and 25GTs are selling for less. If I was going to get a Sierra it'd be a lesser model coupe. I'd love to make it look similar to the Cosworth trim since the Cosworth trim just looks so much more aggressive and sexy in my opinion. I wouldn't be a knob and put a Cosworth or RS500 badge, cause I'd be proud of my car. I really dislike it when people change their car's badges to a higher up model. Kind of disrespecting the car and showing how you're not proud of your car and wish to make it seem more powerful over a badge.
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And yes, I agree 100% that new German car owners only buy the car for the badge and know nothing about the car except the 0 to 60.
Yeah, If only they all done more in-depth research before purchase. It makes my wee boil when these top European Manufacturers say they have an ultimate class leading World beating product....Only then they try to convince us all that its normal for its Crankshaft Bearings to now become a regularly Serviceable items on its high revving flag ship models (WTF BMW M??) Or their top of the range high performance engines to have weak poorly designed cylinder head bolts that corrode and snap off automatically detaching the expensive cylinder head and its ancillaries from the block (Well done AMG Mercedes!) And don't even get me started on lightweight for performance but stupidly weak poorly designed vehicle structures which have aluminium front turrets that crack and fall off (Great Work Audi with your early R8's) Plus they really sound like they have the Customers and their Vehicles longevity in mind when they use plastic for their sumps (Cheers VW for the Golf R's!) Because that material worked well in the 1990's for GM and their plastic Cam-Covers that warped with normal engine heat spewing dirty black engine oil everywhere!

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If I was going to get a Sierra it'd be a lesser model coupe. I'd love to make it look similar to the Cosworth trim since the Cosworth trim just looks so much more aggressive and sexy in my opinion. I wouldn't be a knob and put a Cosworth or RS500 badge, cause I'd be proud of my car.
So why not just save for a little longer and buy a real three door Sierra Cosworth or find one requiring work which suits your budget G-Zilla? Only the Cosworth version has the aggressive and sexy looks you are after so putting these uniquely stylised parts onto any lesser model Sierra is IMHO criminal. A fake is a fake whether you badge the inferior vehicle up as a genuine item or not.

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Yeah, If only they all done more in-depth research before purchase. It makes my wee boil when these top European Manufacturers say they have an ultimate class leading World beating product....Only then they try to convince us all that its normal for its Crankshaft Bearings to now become a regularly Serviceable items on its high revving flag ship models (WTF BMW M??) Or their top of the range high performance engines to have weak poorly designed cylinder head bolts that corrode and snap off automatically detaching the expensive cylinder head and its ancillaries from the block (Well done AMG Mercedes!) And don't even get me started on lightweight for performance but stupidly weak poorly designed vehicle structures which have aluminium front turrets that crack and fall off (Great Work Audi with your early R8's) Plus they really sound like they have the Customers and their Vehicles longevity in mind when they use plastic for their sumps (Cheers VW for the Golf R's!) Because that material worked well in the 1990's for GM and their plastic Cam-Covers that warped with normal engine heat spewing dirty black engine oil everywhere!
Yeah, my area is full of people who drive present day German cars like BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis. For some reason I noticed a lot of their engines don't even sound good. Mercedes engines sound like something is wrong with it. BMW doesn't have that proper inline 6 noise like from the E38/E39/E46. Audis, well they're just boring and very plain. New cars in general suck total ass. I don't have a favorite new car at all, and haven't had one since 2011 with the Gallardo Balboni edition. After that year never had a favorite new car.

Even new Lamborghinis sound like garbage. I know the Huracan uses the same engine as the Gallardo, but for some reason it doesn't sound quite as good as the Gallardo even though they use the same engine. That's a rant for a different day though.

Erm where was I? Oh yes, Ford Sierra. I don't know for the prices they're going if it's even worth purchasing it. Kind of like the R34 GTR, when I saw it in person my hype died down and I did not understand what the whole fuss was about it. Seems like the sedan version of the Cossies (I said it like your Brits say it ) are the only ones that seem affordable for me right now. Maybe I can't afford it now because I'm putting a lot of money into my V36 with a new interior restoration.
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